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greetings traveler and welcome you’ve just crash landed on the Mikey and Me podcast but fear not for this is no

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as we find our way together for you are among friends hello Matthew welcome

hello Michael it’s great to have you where you are it happens not to be here

but that’s sometimes here isn’t where you’re meant to be at at all times you know you know you know but the I I think

what’s important is you know how you you make the best of those moments wherever you happen to wherever you happen to be

you know yeah but where you are looks pretty cool from from my angle so it’s uh you like it do you yeah I do it’s

pretty pretty inviting it looks like a natural extension of of where I’m at now yeah I want I’m

trying are you actually it’s like I can feel presence here feel presence I know

no it well it doesn’t hurt because I know you love I know you look stop ah

okay okay that’s that’s too much uh no but yeah no I wanted to you know I’m I’m channeling my inner fan of the Phantom

of the Opera with my candles and uh you know yeah man so but yeah yeah no uh

happy to be here thank you for having me I’m looking forward to this interview yeah been it’s been a pain in the butt

to get you guys but I had to talk to Joe again actually had to comment on a favor

I had to back Joe I know we talk we joke around but I’m I actually do need I need

that favor well Joe had a busy weekend you know Joe was uh he was he had the UFC fights last night um where he was he

was calling the Jon Jones fight but before you know what before we get to that J Jones fight what happened on

Friday night Matthew I’ll tell you what something happened in our own neighborhood cuz we happen to be in the

DFW metroplex that and I was after my wife I watched a movie that with her she

wented to watch was a whole another conversation because it she had no idea about the movie and it was quite shocking and interesting and graphic

but I knew this fight was going on I had the ards on on like my computer uh

nearby I was just just the sear spectacle of this this event which is it

was a 27-year-old by the name of Jake Paul and a 58y old by the name of Mike

Tyson and depending on who you are how old you are hopefully you know who both of those people are um but either way

there is a fight that it took from a a prior you know arguably one of the

greatest boxers and I’m I’m not a Mike you’ll be able to talk more about actual

you know from a perspective of understanding the sport and the mechanics and martial arts and all that

I’m more just a spectator to her I know about him I know how important he is in the history of boxing and I I also know

that he’s still 58 years old and and he’s in this this whole the fact that

this event even existed in hindsight is just it’s I don’t know what to think

it’s like it’s ABD I know it’s like shame on us but not really that’s just what we want it’s more it’s just I don’t

even know it’s just it’s fascinating just to think as a society that we get to a point where

that’s uh something that the market and consumers want to see I mean if it’s if

that’s actually existing I can’t not look who doesn’t have Netflix and I imagine we’ll never know the true

numbers but it has to I would think it might have to be one of the largest event that has the most concurrent

streamers like watching a live event globally at the same time I don’t if I’m sure Netflix will release

something because I’m to think I know Super Bowl’s a big thing but this was a

whole another thing and at the end of the day Mike I I’ll just say my quick thoughts on it if it I probably think

elements of it were quote unquote fixed not not that uh people weren’t hitting each other or they weren’t hurting each

other but yeah imagine it’s everyone best interest that it went the distance and at the end of the day even if it

didn’t I leaned to think a 27-year-old who’s regardless of how long he’s done it he’s I feel like he’s done boxing

long enough to if I can just stay alive for a couple rounds this old guy is is

conditioning it’s just not there’s no way he’s going to be able to keep up so either way I just know that for me I

boxing has been an afterthought since UFC came out I feel like mma’s really

taken away at least from my perspective any interest in boxing or having these

boxing Mega you know characters that there used to be like hollyfield and Tyson and George Foreman to where love

love or hate Jake Paul and I don’t I don’t really I’m indifferent towards him at this point I mean he’s an annoying

Punk to me but I feel like I have I have a yeah exactly he’s a polarizing he’s

healing he’s he’s playing the heel I don’t yeah not to interrupt you and I don’t know if up you know yeah he’s

playing the heel yeah and he is yeah he’s paying the heel and I and I just think regardless I’m next time he fights

hopefully he gets a legitimate opponent like actual somebody but either way I’m

I want to check it out so he’s got my attention and I like to have a big villain to hate in and I like that

boxing is getting attention even though it’s in an absurd way at the end of the day I feel like my takeway is this was

good for boxing it was insanity but at the end of the day that’s my take on it

but Mikey what do you thoughts and no yeah I mean you got you know legitimate

legitim uh you know reasons right there and good good good opinion and way to look at it

in a sense uh you know like you said obviously somebody wanted it people they

showed up they they promoted it people showed up to watch it there was a lot of hype around it like you said I mean from

from the beginning it you know hindsight being 2020 it’s like as soon as the fight starts like from Mike walking out

to the ring it was like oh man like you just realized the absurdity of the whole thing started to set in just because

like as soon as number one Jake Paul’s entrance was pretty ridiculous which you had no doubt it was gonna be of course

they had to talk about everything surrounding it they every like how much his haircut cost how much like product

he probably uses he probably uses $1,500 worth of product a day to just his hair

and his body I don’t know just it was absurd all the stuff they kept talking about saying like how how much every and

Jake Paul did this and he did and I’m like I don’t you know crazy marketing so

yeah well yeah so to keep to stay on track like so kind of um you know the thing about it is that like again right

when he walked out Tyson starts walking out and he kind of trips and he you know he kind of

stumbles walking out and it was like already like [ __ ] man as soon as he stumbled as soon as he stumbled because

I think at that point it’s like people realize the reality of what was about to happen the fact that again like said

exactly aside from him being as phenomenal as he is and and he was and he and to me there I mean last night I

I’ll start well before I go any further last night was absolutely nothing I

don’t that didn’t even happen in my opinion or the night of the F like or not yeah the night of the fight the

fight night didn’t even really happen to me in my opinion it was just like it’s nothing in Mike Tyson’s career it’s you

know it’s not a win or exhibition that’s the word yeah it’s an exhibition the

difference between that for the so some people might have tuned in thinking that that fight meant something but in the

world of box yeah well two yeah and again it’s like I don’t it is an MVP I think is is the production I think it’s

technically I’m not positive but I think that’s a Jake Paul we can look that up I think that’s his own production it’s

like there was a belt or title was literally just an exhibition no well and here’s the thing it’s not it wasn’t

under I don’t believe it was sanctioned through any of the because it wasn’t

sanctioned through like ibf IB IBA

WBC um WBA all those are boxing associations okay like there’s a whole

bunch NFL exists for football those are the similar thing the different yeah like I said you have World boxing

championship World Boxing Association internation international boxing Federation none of these were so

international boxing championship no none of that there was none of those it were yeah it was a again and yeah with

it being two-minute rounds as well normal sanction fights are three minute yeah you know there was a level of they

had judges and stuff like but again it wasn’t you know and they had other things in place to make it like a real

fight but you know either way um the thing with the whole deal of it all is

that like it’s just uh I don’t necessarily think it was great you made good points

about how you know boxing and MMA boxing’s been kind of in this like almost irrelevancy

for the past 10 or 15 years like the state of just you know active

irrelevancy there things have still been happening and things are going on but nobody’s really been paying attention

because it’s just kind of been you know yeah it’s like yeah and you know everybody’s all over UFC and stuff but

um I don’t necessarily think it was a good night for boxing because it wasn’t really boxing it it was an exhibition

match it those other fights that had happened or whatever um were those other

pre those under early card fights those were just also exhibitions no see that’s

the thing because one of them was a title fight that’s what I’m saying it was one was a title fight yeah let’s see

let’s let’s see this real quick just since we’re talking about it that’s interesting right so that’s to be a

rarity that something yeah that’s interesting so

earlier fights actually did matter in the world of boxing and actually you know people’s careers those are F like

this is a fight that’s not going to really be relevant in the it’ll be like an asterisk like oh this fight happened

for Tyson but it’s not like oh he had that loss against Jake Paul like this isn’t part of his career I think this is

part his life story not his career story yeah absolutely

um let me see uh yeah and just the

uh the spectacle of all the of all the celebrities that Netflix got out there

of course and their Karate Kid people is uh I mean I that that was an insane

production at the Jerry world and they had the cheer see them Cowboy Cheerleaders uh oh yeah yeah it’s like

good job J I mean that’s there you go Jerry push you know the brand but hard I’m not I’m having trouble finding this

right now on my phone if you want to look any of it up to see if it was a sanction fight technically um again the

two-minute rounds thing as far as the Jake Paul fight goes and Mike Tyson I don’t know it show because it’s showing

that his professional career his record moves to 11 and one but I I I have no

idea man I either way um things about it like so on the whole thing of it being

rigged it it look it like you said it’s not it it doesn’t even didn’t even necessarily have to fully be rigged if

if he could just avoid Tyson for three rounds yeah or four rounds until he gases and then tap him and move and tap

him and move he could win a fight against him but the thing is is that um it’s like the one thing about it

that made it look weird is there was a couple of times when Tyson early in the fight he weaved he weaved a punch from

Jake Paul and had him set up for you know just a a nasty right hand a right

hook and he never took it he in fact he kind of like it’s like he went to take it and then just tried to move towards

him to clinch him almost um and to not make it look like he wasn’t trying to hit him he also hit him with a really

stiff jab at one point as he was moving forward and he could have just kept going but then he like kind of stopped

so it did seem like there was a lot of points where Tyson was kind of holding back and not really yeah you know and in

I think in the grand scheme of things Paul was doing it to number one to make money because that’s that’s the thing

with with with this whole thing you have to keep Jak PA numb Jake was made at least 40

million from it and Tyson at least 20 million so those are the minimum guaranteed amounts I’m reading right

here Jake Paul is we have to keep in mind is he is a he started off as just a

YouTube influencer yeah making funny videos you know debatable you know

that’s questionable but he was making videos and stuff and he got really popular doing that and then now he’s

doing the you know he’s he’s a boxer right so it’s like I think I me he decided to get into boxing

so five years ago yeah so I think keeping in mind that it’s like this guy

is he is a by trade typically normally he is more or less a an

Entertainer um and a content creator in this cont exactly yeah and and too so

that’s why I think that it’s like he’s I think there it’s like a high part

playing where I think he’s good he has some boxing skill but I mean it’s not

it’s just uh it’s almost like it’s just a charade at this point or because he’s just he’s not fighting anybody real and

it’s like okay cool yeah you’re you’re a boxer right like but I don’t you know to

me again he’s not he’s not really fighting super hard tough opponents that are up and coming that are his you know

his own age and stuff like that I think he fought do you see this right here that I’m reading it’s actually my this

just talking about it so while it’s I guess the technical techn technically

even though it was not wasn’t sanctioned by any of those boxing federations that

you know there’s judges and the the result will still actually count on

their records on his records and I think ties into gambling in Vegas and there’s a whole lot of Texas Department of

Licensing regulation and so there’s all these you know games that play to okay

to even make it something that can be gambled on that fact that factored into it which was interesting making it yeah

that’s probably why they had to make it quote sanction so either way so so it is a sanction F so yeah but to answer the

thing I was looking up real quick so these guys Mario bario um baros and Abel

Ramos was a WC WBC WBC Welterweight Title yep that was one of the that’s the

yes yeah that’s the title they fought for um but yeah no I mean I don’t think

it was a good thing really for boxing just because you know I don’t know

there’s there’s actually legitimate dudes out there that fight and that are fighting and that are really good that

people could check out and you know not this you know kind of circus League of

boxing that he’s putting on like I don’t know it’s it’s cool I’m not trying to hate on the guy there’s plenty of people

just hating on him yeah I I I think that it was just one of those things where you know he he you know he just you go

Tyson brings money you put the name Tyson out there Mike’s people are gonna show up and watch Mike Tyson yeah and

you know you I it also was kind of sad just in the sense that like I feel like Tyson too you know he wants to he wants

to be that guy he’s always been for everybody you know what I mean like he wants to he’s always been that that that

bad dude and now he’s character well I feel like now he’s at a part life where people he’s more liked than he was I

agree you know he used to not be liked and I think yeah there’s reason like him

you know yeah oh no I know yeah there was plenty of reasons that he was polarizing and not somebody that was

liked by the general public but my point was was what I was trying to say is that like he’s at a place in his life now

where you know he’s well-liked and everything and I think that he was one of the reasons he probably took the

fight because people were probably thinking you know okay you know dude you’re old why you taking this fight and it’s like you know I think that some of

it number one yes the money but number two it’s like I think he saw it’s like everybody want to be like oh come on

Mike knock this guy out you know go beat his ass Mike you know it’s like he be wanting to be that pretty much put that

cape on again and be Superman again or whatnot a sense of purpose that for is a

crazy you know this think you’re 58 he he had his troubles in the past but I’d like to think that everything he’s the

public that’s been presented that he’s grown and learned a lot from his mistakes and there yeah like you’re

saying I think there’s you know opportunity to to do something that you know try and just you know something he

loves and it was just an insane opportunity and I’m glad you know it takes a special person actually take it

which I think speaks to Tyson even being willing to do it you know which no and I mean yeah absolutely and too he you know

I mean the main thing that I think we need to keep in mind here is that you know to to to say our tagline which I

don’t know if you realized you said it like three times but at the end of the day at the end of the day I think that

we need to keep in mind that uh you know Mike made Mike made a lot of money

and that’s good for that’s good everybody likes Mike right we don’t like that Mike lost we don’t like that he you

know but also too while we might not be a fan of Jake Jake at least put him in that spot

to share that plate with him the necessary to

yeah yeah so while on one end we look at him in the front end like he looks like the heel but really he’s a good guy he

put 20 million in Tyson’s pocket yeah and you know he gave people something to enter be entertained by whether we knew

I mean hey at the end of I felt like you know like the PT Barnum thing a suck a sucker’s born every minute and we were a

bunch of suckers and we all watched it because but because again like you said it’s like who’s not going to watch it

almost everybody has Netflix it’s free fully engaged my wife gives no about

this stuff she your you know your subscription pays for it so you you might as well watch it it’s something

everybody was doing so yeah hell yeah you tune in yeah um but yeah I mean that’s just to say just so it so that

we’re not just you know like everybody else just [ __ ] on the fight and Paul and Tyson it’s like again as soon as he

walked out he tripped I was already like man this a sign of things to come like he’s just not he’s not I still think I

do think he was kind of holding back and not really taking taking the opportun all of the opportunities he had um and

also again it’s like you’re not as quick on your feet when you’re 60 you don’t

have your this your equilibrium and your all of that is different it’s affected

biology it’s the way it is people that’s why people fall and you get you’re not you know you don’t need to get on ladders after a certain age stuff like

that your site all these things your vision changes and that [ __ ] with your equilibrium and it’s like you know it’s

just kind of and then plus you add getting punched in the head on top of it yeah um you know I don’t think he really

ever hurt Tyson and uh you know so yeah it it was uh it was good for a lot of

the people involved so I would say and again it got me and I was hanging out

with you last night your brother Chris talking and so we can kind of pivot not

pivot but kind of in the same in the same vein of thinking you know everyone I know I went in just you kind

of hoping that okay Tyson’s going to all it takes is one perfect hit you know he’s going to get maybe he’ll get that

one hit and we’ll see Jake get laid out I feel like that was the the dream of everyone I know in my demographic

maybe younger people like seeing was hoping Tyson would get knocked out I just know that my my wet dream was you

know Jake’s G to get his butt knocked out and laid out you know just be that one hit he didn’t anticipate and you

know he’s Tyson having the Jackhammer hardest hitting man on the planet we’re gonna see that moment and you know I

think that’s that was I feel like in my mind the fuel behind all of it so I was kind of talking yeah to Chris and about

kind of the magic of Sports at all and fighting and in just actual moments in in boxing and our MMA just where and

it’s not the same thing but where some someone’s been basically beat or the

whole time and they’re barely surviving to to the end and they they land that perfect punch they are they come or they

land that perfect execution and they win and it didn’t seem likely at all so

there’s cuz Chris was showing me once I was figured I could just uh show a few that I looked up to seeing some of the

of the last 50 years and my my search presented some

so uh the first one that mentioned well I’ll start with the one Chris was showing me last night so this guy Leon

Edwards versus kamaru Usman it was UFC 278 I don’t know know if which I didn’t

see it but we will share this bad

boy and let’s see what we got here so yeah here’s okay so Edwards was losing

Leon Edwards was losing most rounds but managed an improbable knockout in the final minute of the fifth round with the

head kick so let’s give her

go copy and paste is

fun and there’s a cool thing about thisal so Chris was making a point here

that the commentator he’s literally talking about how this guy he he’s just

not cut from the same cloth as this other fighter and there just that he’s

you know he just doesn’t have the step to do it so the this video is second so

it gets right to it so here we go a moral Victory from Theon but that is not

the cloth from which he has cut I that is a so he’s saying that’s not the cloth

from which he’s cut he knocks the other guy out it’s like oh well so that that was

a imoral victory for me on but that is not the cloth from which he is cut that

is a he lands that bad boy which is like that

was pretty cool so was that one let’s see the F the one that it gave me is that first strength one was this uh y

Rodriguez versus tan Jung in the Korean zombie yeah Korean zombie yeah so do you know about this one so Z fight night 139

I watch this yeah Rodriguez knocked out J with a no look elbow strike just one second left in the fight so this is just

like the end of like the very last possible opportunity to for so that that’s what makes this one really

cool dude and it being knocked out by you don’t even I had to watch it a few

times because it’s not a punch being and it’s like wait what no it it was so crazy so let’s see this one’s a

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minute yeah like what wait what just happened right

uh like it that was his shoulder yeah it’s like it was his it’s

like the the angle of the punch you saw like you’re seeing the weird angle of the punch it’s like he caught him was

like an El like that I think yeah either the elbow or it was the hand and you

just can’t we can’t see it like so if you could slow it down anymore yeah I’m pretty sure it’s about to

show our replay yeah see the elbow yeah it’s the elbow it’s like the the he was

throwing the hand but the elbow landed you know see yeah right there that’s had he been further out had he been further

out it would probably that’s so crazy yeah it’s it’s a oh right there

dude okay standing up dude that’s that’s insane bolded him yeah man Korean zombie

dude shout out Korean zombie he was he pulled P off a pretty nasty uh he pulled off I think one of like the most

nasty uh submissions ever done in the UFC I’m pretty sure

okay let’s see here’s George for this is the only boxing one that’s popped up in here George foran versus Michael moer

1994 do you know about this one yeah yeah Michael this was again this was kind of like a Jake this was also why

the Jake Paul for the Jake Paul and Tyson thing seemed kind of you know like whatever is cuz former was old right

here yeah he was 45 for was 45 right here and Moore was a

hell of a lot younger like 20s or 30s and so but yeah he was tagging for

him in the whole fight like hitting him with some good shots yeah that’s it’s about to happen man Foreman

just dumped dude god dude he just stumped man like look at go back rewind real quick just so people can like

appreciate the is that notice how like watch these punches he’s not really even turning

over that much he’s just throwing those out there like watch how he’s barely throw like watch right here when he

drops him it’s just I know it’s here it goes it’s not it looked like just one of

his other punches that he was blocking it just that one dude those things are those are so heavy man that’s what’s

crazy about Foreman is that he just like when he hits you man like his effortless

power same amount of power that that that one he was the one that got him clean and he

and that’s the other thing is cool about Foreman is he had that old school style of like that cross the cross guard the

way he block he block like this like you’d see him block with both his arms like this a lot yeah because it was a

real old school tactic of blocking with both arms like that and he did that a whole bunch he was a master at that

whole style of Defense dude and he went on to make one of the greatest Grill that’s been a part of my life since I

an iteration that I used within last week dude Chuck liell is on this thing

twice oh that’s unfortunate Shogun Rua versus Chuck

liell uh yeah let’s see hang on I’ll show youell that’s that one was a bad one

yeah I like this also we could show it but I definitely want to show the silver one just because it’s one of the I think

only ones that’s not knockout where he pulls he pulls off a triangle CH oh yeah which is my

person like that’s whatever it’s worth that’s my favorite submiss that’s my favorite submission or if I was in MMA

you know that trying to get someone in Triangle for whatever reason I just think that’s so cool something about

that choke so to skip because so basically

he’s getting his he’s losing yeah t ta just had to like he just had to close it out man like that’s all he had to do and

he just kind of got he was trying to beat him rather than like rather than just ride it out and win he wanted to

you know submit him or t you know ground and pound him or whatever but yeah he should have just kind of played it safe

and he’d have won but instead he just got aggressive and he got caught in a choke so this gets to the final

[Music] round yeah and he’s just yeah hat off

the dominated hats off to chil you know

he he fought the fight perfectly this slowly starting to work into get in

the control

oh do the triangle and it’s a blood choke I just remember when I didj that it’s it can get people passed

out so quick because it’s not a loss of air it just you squeezing their neck so much that you literally cut off the

blood flow and they can get some of the pass out in a matter of just like a couple like it’s it’s crazy yeah and

that’s the thing too is that it was controversial because he like tapped out oh yeah but then

hey yeah we did but the ref didn’t like it’s like the ref stopped it but then cha was slipping so it’s like yeah it’s

it was a whole weird ending too man he had him like it’s it was a weird ending

really shouldn’t have tapped he ke if he’ kept moving like yeah he could have possibly gotten out of it yeah so I

thought that was cool I mean I could want me look at it any of these other ones one no go keep go to go down to

what’s the number 10 like go the number 10 was uh keep going maybe it’s it’s

Ronda Rousey and what’s her name no okay no you need to type in uh you need to go look up Pete Sprat versus the like what

was his name just type in Pete

Sprat Sprat versus Robbie Lawler hang on no no

no no who was it yeah K just type in Pete Sprat KO yeah and

this I let’s see keep going down see GSP

uh George St so do you knock out GSP no keep going Smith versus Cell that’s not

even them yeah Smith cell that’s it versus yes yeah because this is this is the

fight yeah hang on now yeah you have to yeah this is crazy so

go widde screen if you can or whatever it doesn’t matter but I mean just uh yeah that’s that’s so so pretty much

what’s happening here is that Pete Sprat like I think Pete Sprat gets is about to

I can’t remember ifat he’s on the right no Pete sprat’s on the right white short and Smith’s on the left and I think I

can’t remember I think Sprat knocks him out or Sprat gets knocked out but one of them like one of them

oh okay then maybe it is cell it’s not I’m not maybe it isn’t peace I don’t know I guess we’ll see what happens here

the way because crazy prob this is an insane this is probably one of the best comeback Knockouts I think I want to

think I see this yeah this is probably one of the best comeback

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I mean same Pete Here Comes so yeah one of these guys is Pete I don’t know why the video is titled

that yeah Pete Sprat loses oh like he hit him with a liver shot so

go back Pete Sprat hit him with that liver shot and that was about to end it but cuz you see him grab himself and

move back but then he threw it just out of Defense cuz when you get hit in your liver it just pretty much like shuts you

down like your whole just want to crawl up yeah he just didn’t see that coming no

and he’s still hurt look P what’s the cell is still hurt cell’s still on the ground like he’s not even

celebrating so that is one of the craziest that one and then for the last one for the

last one type in um cck Congo vers Pat

Barry c h t chat k n Go o oh it’s the

first thing Congo yeah Pat Barry sorry I spelled his name wrong let’s into so go

to the bottom one live version okay 27 uh that one’s 41 let’s

see it doesn’t matter I guess but yeah look at this this this is incredible I I watch this live how long ago was this oh

shoot years ago look wobbled him it’s not over yet right no

no he’s like out on his feet poof another time watch and look dude hang on

that’s a chin dude

dink that’s so crazy and then he knocked him out like that was one of the wildest

fights ever that’s a dude who just won’t get knocked out that was one of the most wild fight it looks like he’s it looks

like yeah he gets him right here with like overhand right it looks like almost like he got knocked out multiple times

almost like that could another person they probably would have been knocked out so there like he that looks like

dude yeah normally this is when a fight’s ending but he’s not he’s not he’s dude that’s crazy I haven’t seen

and then right here bam again dude yeah he’s like nope he’s like this guy won’t go

down at this point the guy’s probably thinking this and now he now he presses him and now here’s where he hits him with that right hand and then boom

underneath this is where he was like dang the the the camera I wonder if it goes shows an angle from the other side

it was I think it does like but he hits him with like kind of like a it was like a right or like a left hand from

underneath you threw the right and hit him on the ear because if you get hit on the ear the back of the ear it like

throws off all your equilibrium and then you hit him with the left underneath I think after that yeah I

like look at this one more time

so right hand right hand two right hands yeah so he hit him with the right hand over top of the ear and then he threw

the other right hand from up so the first hand came in over top like that behind the ear and then the second one

came in up this way like underneath the jaw hit him like that and just that’s

cool stuff that’s and in the back of my mind some feel like everyone was hoping to see something like that I feel like

anytime you watch Boxing if everyone’s hoping to see I mean something like that right person

personally when I watch Boxing or something like that I’m I’m hoping to get lucky to see the next Gotti Ward I

want to see the next Ward fight okay uro Gotti and Mickey Ward Arturo Gotti and

Mickey Ward think God War like a person but okay like I want to see that war like that those guys had the war that

they had for that was like three fights I mean was insane that would be epic um

so it’s like those are the type of fights or Diego right yeah like look at type in this one

Diego corales versus uh because this is a great comeback Fight Win um just type

in Diego corales comeback Jose Batio I’m guessing it’s this one

it yeah 10th round yeah this is it because his corner like tells him I can’t hear any of the audio started yet

in the corner in the corner between rounds I still can’t hear it but in the corner between rounds he uh his his like

he tells him like you got to [ __ ] knock him out or something like that can you hear that it doesn’t matter oh yeah that I

forgot yeah the Google meet thing’s not going to hear

it let’s see so wh which gu’s which Diego corales just got dropped

he’s in the white

and this is old component boxing which is cool that this you know you get the count to

get back up you know and youf obviously by UFC that didn’t exist to where you

get knocked out it’s over which is f but again this is a cool thing about boxing that yeah you can get knocked down but

you get 10 seconds yeah so his his his Corner told him right there when he put that mouthpiece in I think he said you

got to knock him out

this Mak me makes me think of Mike Tyson punch out you get knocked

down oh yeah man Diego Carell how long ago oh man the two mid early mid 2000s

okay rest in peace to Diego Chico corales man he passed away on a motorcycle act look see right here you

got to [ __ ] knock this guy out that’s what he just told him his Corner man told him that you got to [ __ ] knock this guy out looking Corner man yeah

yeah and now he literally just told him

that that’s basically like you’re G this fight goes to De you’re done you’re losing so he just looked at it yeah

exactly you know if you don’t knock him out it’s you’ve

lost and now you just see the tide turning he landed a few good shots and he gets his guy on the ropes

oh this round these are three minute rounds and this is right yeah 10 10

three minutes 59 let’s see

oh look at that out couldn’t even hold his

mouthpiece in anymore man he’s just done dude just laid it all there yeah he just

laid it all out there man I just love that that’s one of the hardest fights I’ve ever witnessed in my life see the

ref is holding him up yeah that’s a that ref is a freaking legend by the way that ref is he just it was cool he got

knocked out against the ropes so he didn’t fall down and then he’s holding him up yeah that’s yeah no those a lot

of those a lot of those boxing refs man those dudes are super yeah a lot of those boxing reps are great guys man

they’re true consant professionals and they actually you know they really care about the fighters and respect the sport

of boxing and take their job serious and again like I said they care about the fighters they don’t want to see them you

know they always tell them whenever they’re like stopping the fight and the guys are getting mad it’s like you know they don’t want to see you get hurt you know yeah like that’s epic stuff but

yeah that was probably one of the coolest like comes backs but yeah man so that’s it for our our our Sports boxing

talk take a quick little break yeah why don’t we why don’t we take a quick little break plug break

here and we’re back we’re back we are we

know we know you guys we know you guys missed us for that brief interval I mean

know there we’re talking about a lot of violence violent sport yes and it’s some

that can wear you out you know but yeah so coming back no more let us let us be

done with this violence let us be done let’s move on from violence and and move on to the unknown or the known or I

would say well unknown unknown was unidentified is the key word here yeah

you know how I like that you know how I like that one y yep so yes sir getting back into the realm of UFO UAP so I’m

I’m saying UFO but I mean Mike and I have had conversations about you know

UFO and identified fing object versus UAP and identified aial phenomena when

what I’m about to read here there’s a a new a new one that’s that we both agree on that that’s

actually what’s going to you’re going to be hearing if you uh listen for any of this sort of thing in your life but so

with within the last couple days uh United States Congress was holding a hearing on an identified anomalous

phenomena so UAP now it’s anomalous phenomena and it makes it makes sense

once to get further down as far as not specifying it being in the air of flying but so the pentagon’s latest

report on uaps has revealed hundreds of new reports on these unidentified and and unexplained aerial phenomena with

but no indication suggesting that they’re of extraterrestrial origin the review includes hundreds of cases of

misidentified balloons Birds satellites as well as some that defy easy explanations such as near Miss between a

commercial airline in a mysterious object off the coast of New York while it isn’t likely to settle any debates

over the existence of alien life the report reflects heightened public interest let’s

see inter in the topic of government’s efforts to provide some answers uh the publication comes a day after the house

lawmakers called for greater government transparency during a hearing on an identified anomalous

phenomena see so journalist Michael shellenberger tells members of the House Representatives that there was an orb

that was joined by another orb comes briefly into the frame let’s see so yeah so

basically that getting into detail so summary is that that the United States Congress was and I just stumbled I was

getting on YouTube Just and this was I saw this live stream

of something going on like Congressional I was like Oh and it it’s dealing with UFO UAP stuff I’m like what of course

I’m interested and so it might still be live streaming it it was just on a loop so I think this happened within the last

3 or 4 days but the Congress was holding a hearing on these unidentified

anomalous phenomena uh this is the second such hearing follow um because I

remember there was one last year uh following increased public interest and a recent Pentagon report on uaps this

hearing aims to provide more transparency and discuss potential explanations for these unidentified

phenomena the report highlights hundreds of cases involving misidentified objects so they’re still trying to say

that they’re just misidentified objects like balloons Birds satellites but some remained unexplained see like one sence

incident is that near Miss between some commercial airliner and some mysterious object off the co coast of New York and

but so yeah this hearing this is literally I I think it’s still streaming the loop of it on on YouTube and so I

was checking it out and I was like I remember last year whenever con there was a hearing and I feel like that was

one of the first moments that really legitimized for I mean people that are

believers are believers but I feel like as far as the records as far as going looking back in history a moment in time

where the government something occurred where you know the government actually

yeah so people have always I feel like believed what they’re going to believe and and there’s I’m sure there some

people on the fence maybe this makes them Believers but the government legitim it’s instead of just a person

being out there saying I saw UFO it’s like oh the government is having to knowledge like okay the a lot of people

saw these in whatever if it’s a UAP UFO they’re still acting like you know they

don’t know but and I know the details of of that hearing that you could watch they talk about a lot of interesting

things like uh foreign biologics and some asking questions about you know I

mean you just really need to check it out uh because it really gets in that video you’re talking about Cong I mean

let’s see I’ll just see if it’s still streaming it cuz why not cuz it was

literally kept going but there was uh one question is asked about this uh this

program called Immaculate constellation which we’ll get right back to that which apparently if you’re thinking of like

project greenbook or thinking of secret government programs that this is the

name of one then but let’s see because this thing was just showing

up here we go yeah so because it’s on my main feed so it’s still still streaming so you’re not

going be able to hear it but yeah so so you can get on YouTube now and it’s

still looping it that’s pretty cool yeah and I say if you’re go to bed you should

you should listen to it because they do a great job like I guess I don’t even really know the structure if these are

different state representatives of Congress people but there’s four there’s four Witnesses basically and these these four

guys and I guess this there this this guy here I’m pointing to is

uh he was one who like said that he can only whenever he’s answering questions I guess he used to be part of government

agency that he’s like I you know I’m not I literally signed a document that I can’t say I can’t say anything more than

what I’ve said there was talking about Crash retrieval there’s some specific questions about downed object and crash

retrieval programs and it get really in depth and yeah Elis this guy Mr alzando

and it’s cool cuz one of the I guess Congress people whoever it is asked him

so he literally just says so what’s what was the setting in room like whenever you signed this document and who was who

was even there like what government what part of the government even asked you to sign this document yeah which I thought

it was just cool he’s Lally asking like what’s the setting like is there a bunch of people in the room where you by yourself and the guy and he’s like what

part of the government and he’s like I can was you know just me and one other person and it was some you know

Department of Defense and some kind of ambiguous because that’s all you could say but it was they were it was cool

that just to hear that question asked and this one one woman’s asking just

please actually give your definitions of what UAP are what they could like

there’s some really broad questions that are asked that were great for general just even us people to be like okay they

see these terms and these are the these are people that are testifying about what they’ve seen or witnessed and just

hearing their answers and so and I’ll and I’ll stop there and kind of let you go for a second no I just I had the

realization and I had sent this to you I think on our Instagram or whatever but that guy go back to that guy talking

yeah alzando was his name Lou alzando yeah so he’s the Alando yeah yes okay he

uh he’s actually going to be in Dallas um November

20th um you can buy tickets to go see him apparently and uh talking about

former head of the Pentagon UFO investigation uh for a disc uh for a

discussion Humanity’s greatest existential questions uh get tickets let’s see how much tickets cost for this

thing I’m curious no because he’s believe he legit $5 and one of these guys that’s testifying actually I know

Sean Ryan interviewed him because I I recognize his voice and then I forget

his I think it’s that Dr G something that he used to be like the I guess in

charge of Naval oceanography or something like whenever some things were going on and so he’s like private sector

or he’s out of the military now but i’ heard him on Shan Ryan before and so that that was cool so people testifying

witnessing are I I’m famili I’ve I’d heard the names and been familiar with some of them and so but I know that so

the one guy this is the first time I heard of this Immaculate constellation which I don’t know if I’m pretty sure

this is brand new to the whole world within since this hearing took place

yeah it sounds interesting yeah I’ve never heard of it yeah so Maia constellation so that was I guess the

name I don’t know if it’s an ongoing program of the you know internal

government program that documents UAP I guess is a general sense that seems to

be all that I would I know about it um and so some of the things are

documented and I’m just trusting this site here news Nation now because I know the conversations that they have on the

video they get into some things I know they talk about an event that happened off Kuwait uh off yeah you were talking

about that like some white orb yeah so quit orb

yeah white white orff and you it’s coming back to this

this video so all this stuff L just came out with the white orbu Kuwait which I think I don’t want to pull that one

video up because I haven’t had a chance to see if it’s real but that’s supposed to be I guess the the a big talking

point here but so this one talks so in the immaculate constellation I guess

some items are metallic orbs spotted over the ocean uh so one and and I know

that there’s tons of foot like it’s not released but they talk about how much stuff in footage like high definition

that has been gathered and collected that the go obviously the government’s holding on to but this they literally

talking about you know having the evidence of these things yeah like this is talking about 12 metallic orbs and

they’re talking about them being spotted around uh sens of facilities like nuclear facilities throughout the world

yeah and so here’s here’s what uh to kind of to go into the like here’s just

to kind of spitball for a minute right what I think is interesting about you know I think what’s the most interesting

about the UFO UAP um and then what was the other one that you were saying is the new one it’s

still UAP or whatever te so it’s the same but instead of aerial phenomena it’s anomalous because okay anomalous

get into talking about the ocean and objects that have been observed in the

ocean and and then that gets into whole some of this stuff is actually coming from the

ocean but yeah so anomalous U but for anomalous phenomenal yeah and so uh I think what’s

kind of interesting about all this is that it’s either is it’s like I know I’ve seen a bunch of I know I’ve seen

more things in the sky recently than I have in the past I’ve I’ve been looking

because I ever since I saw my first what I knew to be a confirmed UFO which had

to have been at least least about like close to 10 years ago about at least 10

years ago yeah um and maybe more and it’s like ever since then I’ve always

saw a reason to just kind of look up at the sky if I’m outside not doing anything and so it’s like I’m wondering

you know how much of it is just uh is it that it’s there’s a an increase in sightings and so they’re having to

address it or is it that it’s like you know we’ve had the same number of sightings and the same number of tracks

TR but why it’s like why is it that there yeah and it’s like why is it that

now we’re starting it just seems I don’t know it’s always question it’s a question with an antenna for me an

antenna for me always goes up when it comes to this because it’s like especially if it’s the government that’s

ignored things for years it’s like okay so if they come out and acknowledge something that there’s a reason they’re

doing it so like I think there’s a reason there’s some type of catalyst that it’s like well why is it that

they’re doing now is the question why what is it that they you know number one it’s something compelling to talk about

yeah well I think it’s also that so the the first thing you brought up is a good point and it’s something that they talk

about in the hearing that that video is just showing about you know whether yeah would these

events and these phenomena are actually happening at a greater frequency or if

it’s just public awareness and we you know interconnected by technology and

internet to where we can actually share to where we know on the other side of the world oh they can they can post to

the internet and say they saw it and in the past you know oh that happened in their they you know they could tell

their mom they in the past when that happened you when you went in the cave and you and you mix some chalks and you

drew on the wall exactly go far back as you want so that’s the question is I don’t know just kind of left a note

behind for the for the Next Generation so no I get it yeah so we don’t and that’s that’s the question I don’t know

that and for me there’s no definitive answer I you know I don’t know if there’s enough data to say it’s happen

more or we just have more awareness you know I think it’s I think it’s that it’s

it’s probably I don’t know it’s I think it has to be yeah I think it has to be a

mixture of both I think there has been slightly more there has been slightly more sightings I believe but also with

the advancement like you said in technology and everybody seeing it having the ability to like you know for

instance me in Texas post something because one night I sent a video to a friend of mine and I was like what is

this I just saw this in the sky and then he found a better version that somebody else in the in like Illinois or

something recorded and so it was crazy but I saw the same thing in Texas and so yeah you know it’s really cool it’s so

to you know just to double down on what you’re saying is that yeah it’s like I think that more than likely the reason

it’s happening is because they it’s you know like they said public interest in that article you read it’s like the

Public’s interest in it and now they’re like you know well if everybody’s posting these videos left and right people are wondering what’s going on

it’s like you know okay yeah let’s let’s start looking into it more more up toate

reports you know globally the government can’t they can’t deny they can’t just

shutter down the global media you know so if that’s like well shite we can’t we

can’t just brush underneath because like it’s it’s you can’t deny it if there’s

if it like where is talking about the exposure and this social media internet all that to where I I think they’re in a

position where they can’t I think ideally they would they would still just keep it Hush Hush but I just don’t think

that they can anymore no I don’t I don’t think they can either I I I I definitely

agree with that it’s it’s at the point where it’s like it’s a you know you can’t ignore the elephant in the room

and it’s also something that they probably feel like yeah well they also probably asid coming down no it’s not

yeah and they feel like it’s one of those things where that exact that exact sentiment um that you’re saying that

they that eventually it’s like if they don’t start trying to figure it out or get on top of it now or open up the

conversation and just be you know because I think that that’s the thing I think obviously I don’t think I know

that they know more of the reality of the situation a lot of these things might not be they might not be

um a alien they could be other countries that have technology they could have

technologies that have so here’s the thing is that it’s like they have there could be these other technologies that

other countries have that they’re using and implementing that we don’t really know about and the thing is with stuff like this is this is more or less I feel

like this is them dipping our toe into the ocean like soon enough we’re going to be you know eventually people will

kind of be more aware than obviously this generation and past ones were on the whole UFO

and Space Race phen aerial phenomena thing because they’ll understand I’m sure at that point that yeah countries

have these crazy drone like things that are able to move in such patterns

because like on Joe Rogan and them said like a lot of these like the little Tic Tac thing that the that was one of the

first big ones that was confirmed by the pilots the Tic Tac yeah they were saying it’s like that would like turn like a

normal human beings like body to Jello like being inside one of those things and fighting those g-forces like unless

there’s some type of technology that can you know that would be the thing unless there’s some type of technology that can

totally negate G4 drone doesn’t need a human pilot and that’s what I was gonna say so that’s I think more or less

probably some of the you know but who knows I mean you know it’s like that’s the thing though you can say drone but

this stuff’s been happening for a long time personally I don’t I my just for my

own just the way I lean is and it’s cool again that that hearing the can watch

the video they talk about okay well the number one you know fears being okay is it a foreign actor is it a foreign

entity in China is always the first thought not Russia anymore it’s it’s China it’s always China is that because

there was the Chinese weather balloon so honestly I feel like the government is cooler with that narrative because I

don’t believe the a lot of these objects I I personally don’t believe for a second that it’s a foreign act foreign

government that has some technology Beyond Beyond ours or that it could and

then we’re we’re doing the same thing elsewhere or it’s ours or it’s honestly it’s us testing the stuff out like so

yeah then that that’s if it is but I think just just personally I man it gets

nuts because the one chick as they starts asking because they talk about bi like biologics the term biologics about

you know crash retrieval and what they’ve actually you know recovered and

about there being biologics and she this one they asked like what tell tell

Define what biologic even is and and Bas

one of the guys his definition was talking about something that like alive

and it can respond to to stimulus and like another guy like so they’re even

just kind of talking about that which was interesting just okay what what’s what some of these are and one of the

guys he he he he paused Ed this this whole Theory which about the the

vastness of the universe in that that they could they might not be biological

that you know and I agree to think of the vast of the universe that could be

they and they they could even be machines from a different planet right they could they could be or at least

what we call a machine at the end of the day we’re biological machines at the end of the day dang it at the beginning of

the day we are we’re biological machines so it comes down to your definition of we’re

carbon based I think what it comes down to people say biologics it’s more we’re

naturally going to relate it to biolog biology and Physiology in on planet

Earth when if we’re talking about this vastness of the universe it’s almost

okay being open to I know what I don’t know and that that’s a lot of stuff and

you know what yeah yeah no and and to go to talk on I know what I don’t know and to kind of get like way off subject in a

way and kind of like if you want to get off subject I feel like well hang on no no it’s is it cool or what oh yeah

because I was g at least I had a theory but it could come back to this EI I no it it will yeah yeah it’s G to stay

within the realm but I’m gonna have to like kind of go on a dog Trail because you were saying that about different you were saying that about biologics and

different dimension right you said Dimension I didn’t but or like you said something about I was just talking about

bics in the universe and just the universe yeah okay yeah the vastness

that we don’t yeah like you can you can yeah well no so just uh thinking like um

it’s just uh so for instance I know this is again I think I’ve brought it up before but like with the whole Advanced

theory of you know the real deep Rabbit Hole of like Sasquatch

for instance because people talk about well how do you see Sasquatch people have seen him so many people seen him

they’re Footprints some have been confirmed fake some have been you know unproven we don’t know yeah and it’s

like you you never know like about when it comes to that but then there’s some people there’s this whole theory that

popped up which makes sense because it’s like well you know where are they how come you know surely somebody more PR

like if they were as prevalent as you know people have seen them to be then eventually some Hunter somebody would

walk up on one or something like you would have very much confirmed sighting of it or something something yeah

smarton footage there’d be something at this point but people were saying that like you know about how there’s this

whole theory of a portal right that maybe they’re these interdimensional beings and they’re passing through these

they have the ability to pass through these portals or potentially when people are seeing them it’s going between one place and another um so just in you know

like you were saying just on the I’m not saying I believe in Sasquatches passing through portals no

but open your mind up to this to this idea that like you said about the things that we don’t know and potentially um

you know because even in religious stuff like the like the like Hindu the bhava Gita they talk about that type of stuff

they talk about many different universes and worlds and things like that I mean it’s it’s crazy like how another you

know to again open up your mind to reconsider some stuff maybe that we don’t understand about our own existence

in the place we live or whatnot um and what it makes me think of with to wrap

it up what I with that whole portal thing and is it I really enjoy the whole

theory of time travel right yeah and I one of the things I think is interesting

about time travel or another like it put me off on a rabbit hole about how you know there was something somebody said

or a theory where it’s like everything everything everywhere happening like all at once almost some something like that

well in eternity if you in the in the scope of Eternity then yeah I mean I

that’s I I I believe in that I ascribe to that to an extent if yeah it’s like

there’s like to an to like what I what I mean by that is that it’s like we perceive that obviously it’s like we’re

linear time we’re linear exactly we’re we’re linear in time and we’re at this point we’re going forward whatever but

like we we never stop to consider that maybe the way potentially what we’re seeing is these UF

like who knows like the remnant from a different point in time’s perspective

exactly they could be in the future somehow it could be something that’s like our and and maybe you call it a

glitch in the matrix it’s something a ripple in time or something or I I don’t know like how they say light and you

know time like I don’t know mean I know that I don’t know and I just had that theory like at one point in time um and

it was just like okay that’s that’s crazy it’s an interesting theory that it could explain so many of these other

different things yeah um if you know because understanding that time might

not just be linear it’s not just this you know that’s it’s not as we normally typically perceive it to be

possibly yeah and it’s I’m I’m cool I’m glad you said

everything you did because I’m I gu call this my theory but it was just more me just my as I’m

listening I was running and I was listen listening to that hearing and you know my bra you know your brain wonders

and has ideas and whether it could you know it’s a hypothesis or just a story

it’s just like it could be a cool sci-fi story um but also at the same time it if

I’m going to come up with a th you know a thousand you know potential theories for

life and existence and and different things well there’s there’s no evidence saying this couldn’t be one of them but

but like you’re talking about like Dimension like uh portals and stuff so yeah they could be portals but also at

the same time as humans we have to realize that we can only see and

perceive C certain spectrums you know to where you could say portal to a

different it might not even be a different dimension it’s just they’re able to cloak or do things that they cut

off our abilities to sense or perceive them at all you know just like the dirt

can doesn’t have eyes or any it hardly has senses but like orange with deers

like orange with like animals it’s like that’s why you can wear orange because animals I believe it’s like they can’t see it so but other humans can so to

think you know to think that we are the end all of it all to where it could just literally be no they’re able to just

cloak or turn on off to where they’re they’re literally still right there it’s just there in the realm of existence

that totally beyond what we could perceive but so vibr to a different you know yeah or just even again we could do

our best to stay vibrating but who who knows but so I had this thought and it

gave be a story but so because they’re talking about these ocean sightings and and and so there’s a lot of in then one

one lady in the hearing even asked if there’s any evidence or any speculation on if there’s a sort of gathering or a

base of sorts that they think might exist deep in the ocean just because you know less than 10% of our Waters have

have we explored so we really don’t we don’t what’s what’s down there and again

if we even consider things could be down there and putting into play the whole idea of us not even being able to sense

or perceive or observe them but so this because one of the guys

said about these could even be machine or artificial intelligence and I was I

was thinking okay I’m going to jump around a little bit because I’m remembering so go ahead if if in fact

the frequency of thing of these sightings and of these phenomena being

cited is increasing it’s not just awareness but it is in fact increasing

and you wonder what could be the Catalyst I’m led to think it’s has to do

with AI and how close we are to AGI and potentially ASI to where and like if you

ever watch start track uh there’s a whole uh protocol where they don’t interfere with alien life that haven’t

reached the level of having warp technology to where if they come across a planet and a civilization they’re not

going to interfere with it if it’s hasn’t gained got to the level of developing warp technology which is

basically their the ability to go out there and travel to where there that’s a huge component of Star Trek that’s cuz

then they become a competitor at that point start is ideal as where they don’t want

to interfere with a a natural ecosystem occurring how it’s supposed to they

don’t want to have any influence on it whatsoever they just want to let it happen and even and that’s it’s what

great about star there’ll be episodes where they witness something terrible is about to happen a planet’s about to be hit by meteor but you know by their own

rules they can’t go tell that planet that’s going to happen it so it’s cool that’s just the whole slight side thing

about about it but um see I was just talking about so I

I could easily see that if they are increasing in frequency that it’s because they’re aware that we’re on the

cusp of reaching AGI artificial general and artificial then Super intelligence

which once we hit once that is hit it’s basically the rate of our technological

advancements is going to be so exponential that it’s it’s in it’s

beyond I won’t talk about but that’s and I could I can I’m just looking for correlation if they are inreasing in

frequency and occurring these phenomena and it’s cor and I’m just thinking about

all the events in the world in artificial intelligence is increasing now I could in my mind that’s just a

theory that that those two are connected um that but that’s just kind of side

thing but so my my crazy theory is that and it’s is Theory from sci-fi

that all the zap all this stuff in this Theory are actually artificial

intelligence that are actually coming or basically they’re

they’re they’re hiding or they’re in in the ocean you know then they could potentially you know coming in and out

of our scope of what we can sense but that so and I’m just G to read what WR

because okay that the UAP are actually ad Advanced and left over from a prior

human civilization on Earth so saying so saying that we’ve that mankind has

already advanced and gotten to a part that we developed Ai and something happened whether it was Media or

something wiped out everything on the earth on the planet except for this AI

was able to save itself and that it’s down there in the ocean and that it’s

down there in potentially just waiting for us to get back to the point of

making that technology again and and then I as a Christian I think okay how

could I make this Theory exist with the Bible so and so was thinking okay so

would it would be like the end times actually already all all this happened

so and it’s if you think about people wondering when like certain biblical events are going to happen and

if they feel like what if they actually already did happen and Mankind was

restarted whether it was by AI having some remnant of genetic I don’t know but

either way a AI or who knows it could be AI or God but that all the stuff in the

Bible even the Revelation stuff potentially what if that already

did happen and he and I’m that a and this is crazy this I mean this is crazy

so I’m think think so that that AI would then in the ocean recognize this historical significant events that

mattered and be able to and it gets I don’t even know how but okay the Jesus

happened that these religions happened in ensuring that those are some kind of

inserted into our this other you know run this other run of human

civilization and yeah to where it’s what what if it’s all everything is AI left

over from Humanity from a prior civilization that existed on this very

Planet yeah potentially this is crazy I don’t think that my my brain was just running with the

idea of like sci-fi that yeah what if you’re like what no what okay but what if here’s on another level what if it’s

uh it’s so to make for me to make I think that’s actually really

interesting like uh you know again sci-fi you know

hypothetical but like because here’s the thing how would you bridge that gap of you

know I think what it would uh what it could be is that same thing it’s

Advanced AI but like not the AI that we think it to be it’s it’s it’s still

compatible it’s an older it’s because that’s like have you ever seen what I’m trying to say is like have you ever seen

how uh there’s you know certain Technologies in some of these temples

and stuff and these Mayan temples or things like that where these pillars can actually Spin and rotate like they don’t

know how they can do it I don’t know if you’ve ever seen that but there’s just like pillars inside these temp that like

if you grabb them and spin them they’re these they’re holding this thing up but they’ll spin um and so what I’m trying

to say is that they might have had an older style of AI that potentially was

you know maybe the same thing made it tick or it’s almost like a Wi-Fi signal where it’s like it’s still compatible

like your phone wouldn’t charge that one night but you were like hey if you even have an iPhone charger that has this

type of thing you know it it’ll still charge so maybe it’s something where it’s like waking up an old version of

Ultron seriously talking about that old stuff in my crazy Theory I I could even

connected to they talk about aliens in the pyramids how that happened to where yeah replace aliens with AI that we

created thousands of years ago that you know existed in peacefully and either

and I guess in this Theory it’s not it it’s peaceful and it’s trying to preserve us where ideally because they

talk about the UAP uh being cited around sensitive like areas like nuclear weapon

type facilities and stuff to where the what if it’s actually down there looking

out for us and it’s with the intent of keeping us from destroying ourselves

this time around if I don’t know yeah I mean dude yeah there’s no I mean that’s it I will say that I mean you know with

the knowledge we have really it’s like the lack of knowledge we have of the ocean pretty

much it’s like there’s not a lot um hang on let me give me a second to think how

I want to say this you’re good I got it don’t mess this up Mikey if you say the song G don’t don’t you [ __ ] this up me

stman don’t you [ __ ] this up for me yeah uh no

um huh did just say your thoughts like it

there’s no wrong with because again like I was just a loose idea or concept is what I was sharing that I could poke

holes in and it’s more just the possibility of anything within that realm right so what you’re kind of what

realm are you thinking I um the ocean just keep yeah

so it it’s the realm the realm what I’m thinking with the ocean is just that it’s like our lack

of knowledge of the ocean is also

our biggest proof of potential like yeah the fact that’s

that’s mysterious yes that’s what I was trying to say that’s what I was trying to say is that our our lack of

understanding of this so say you’re a detective in a [ __ ] you know you’re trying to solve a case and you know

everything about all these other people and where they were but you don’t really know a lot about this character like

what’s that big down forever oh we don’t know oh I

don’t know I don’t know so it’s like that that almost is like kind of you

know it’s like it’s your it’s your it’s a qu while it’s a question on one hand it’s also somewhat of an answer on

another or more or less of a reason for another and I think that it the ocean thing is interesting because it’s like

as chief head you know conspiracy theorist of you know all most chief head

conspiracy theorists of my group I would say like my brother Caleb probably might beat me

yeah yeah he’s a pretty big one but okay so Behold a Pale Horse by William Cooper

was a pretty crazy book it’s a fan I think I you’re gonna pill me on something here I think I think it’s a

book that everybody should get um number one the cover art is amazing I have it I could go grab it show it to you but the

cover art is beautiful um but it just talks about all kinds of different stuff but in the very beginning he’s pretty

much laying out he was like a naval he worked in the Navy and I think he might have been a naval intelligence

officer at one point but uh while he was in the Navy he saw out on the deck he

was pretty much scanning left to right he was on watch him and another guy and they were scanning The Horizon from left

to right and all of a sudden him and the guy that he was watching the ocean with

observe a UAP fly into the ocean straight into the water and he

said that they both were like shocked and stunned I guess he said they kept

scanning the ocean kept scanning the area that the UAP flew in at and then he said a little while later he said that

something ended up also coming back out of the ocean so something fell into it and then came out of it yeah and he he

in that book talked a lot about how he believes that our our uh you know our government has been in Conta with these

beings like there’s this one where this like leaked quote unquote leaked document of our government talking to

this uh being that they referred to as like worshipful Majesty or something it was some weird document what year what

year this book come out roughly like uh had to have been like 90s 90s okay 90s I

would say the ocean stuff even on Sean Ryan he interviewed a guy where they talk about like being in someone being

in a submarine like in the military and they’re being CRA basically crazy you

know objects moving around in a way that in the same way in the sky we see things moving around that we we don’t have

technology that we know of that could do that that in the ocean they’ve witnessed you know that’s that’s like a

documented talk or known thing to where that yeah to where it it aligns with

what you’re saying in yeah yeah yeah the book released in 91 um originally published in 91 and uh

you know he he in the book talks a lot about aliens and a lot about like you know shows a lot of documentation on

stuff and our government knows things but then later on he was like seeing he was in an interview and this is one of

the crazy craziest things that I’ve ever like somewhat experienced in my life and that was when I kind of after doing my

own dive deep diving on you know the whole subject of UFOs and considering everything and watching you know it’s

not like I went and sat down and I was like I’m going to figure out it was just after you know a while of seeing different stuff and I had watched a

movie where they pretty much had like uh you know it was like I think it was God I can’t even remember what movie it was

but it gave me the idea that like maybe you know what if this stuff that

we think is aliens isn’t even aliens they don’t exist and it’s our own government duping us and it’s our own

it’s our own you know they’ve duped us into believing that aliens exist and that we can really fly into outer space

and that all these exist yeah exactly the bigger obiously there be an agenda

to I don’t know and I’m not saying what the agenda is but yeah yeah but I’m with you I’m with you I had had that theory

where it was like What if everything we’re seeing it’s like it’s alien to us we don’t know it we’ve never seen it

we’ve only seen Planes Trains and Automobiles you know shout out Dick Van djk but Dick Van Dy you know it’s like

we’ve always SE is that who in D Van Dyk D van

Martin was it my three sons like well dig Van Dyk was a know he’s funny but he

wasn’t so if he’s in that movie okay yeah either way automobiles um that’d be awesome if he

had a cameo I know it was just some actually he happened to have a tiny rooll like a that that so but no so um

yeah so it’s like di had had that Theory and then I ended up watching an interview of

William Cooper where he pretty much said that exact same thing and that at that point it kind of made me think like okay

that’s a little weird like he had that because he said that he had for years he believed that out of everything he’d

seen in the sky and you know the [ __ ] he’s witnessed and read that he believed that aliens existed and all that but

then later on he was inter like somebody was interviewing him like in a hotel somewhere I guess they convinced him to

sit down but he was saying he doesn’t believe he believe he didn’t believe

that aliens and like he doesn’t believe that they exist he believes that it’s all like our government pretty much

[ __ ] duping us so here look that up real quick actually I don’t know if I’ll be able to hear it and I can in that I

could I can easy believe I I’ve and what am I looking

up just go to YouTube and type in let’s see William Cooper yeah umu before get I

wanted to say so yeah and I’m thinking with the whole ocean stuff honestly the more I think

about I feel like it’s the obvious it’s like you’re talking about

detective is like well what we can’t explain all this stuff well there’s there’s a big pool in the house that goes down forever we don’t even know

what what’s in there or comes out of there to where that’s that’s the ocean I feel like that the more I think about it

is the the more plausible explanation for the origin of these things is not

not another not out in space not you know in another universe or just you

know out external to Earth that the ocean I feel like is arguably as likely

or more likely of an explanation for the origin of of this stuff and whether you know how much I’m sure

there’s people in the know like you’re saying with the government and I I think that’s where yeah it doesn’t mean it’s alien and I think I I think their

government has knowledge but like I think they control the narrative only so much

but uh to where yeah and because it’s like the fmy Paradox or where they talk

about okay if the universe is so vast and you know if there

was extraterrestrial life that theoretically the it that that firy

Paradox posits that it would be discovered right or it would be made somehow being made known to another but

then that’s actually where the whole dark force Theory actually gets more relevant about H superintelligent life

knowing not to make itself known because the universe could is easily you could think

it’s predatory to where if you would say hey I’m over here you you could be putting a Target on your planet so

that’s a whole interesting realm of it all to where I I’m think yeah I’m just

yeah I’m thinking the ocean but so so I’m looking up Cooper now here yeah give me yeah give me one second I think I may

have found it but hold on cool yeah I was just yeah for me personally I’m I I

believe that the ocean is the most likely origin for a lot for for UAP and for what whatever that is and and

however much our government knows or doesn’t I mean they know they know more than us I don’t know I I don’t I don’t

believe that they control it what a lot of yeah control it but I do believe they

know yeah I mean they definitely know and the thing is though here imaculate

conell it’s like yeah I know I’ve said it before it’s like you can’t you

know I think again that the reason that they’re bringing some of this conversation up is it’s it’s dipping the

people’s toe it’s fear inoculation in a sense because it’s like people need to start getting used to the idea that like

okay there’s something out there whether again whether it’s other countries or whatever because it’s like look what

happened whenever they said hey look CO’s happening people went and up all the toilet paper so you imagine what

they say hey there’s aliens that aliens exist they from the plan slow from the

planet yeah they’re from the planet I and they’re here to you know take they

need oil and they you know people would be [ __ ] losing their [ __ ] and they’d be shooting guns at airplanes they’d be

like what is that and they us for yeah whatever there’s for

what they know is probably been existing it’s they and they can’t deny it and instead of like again you slowly like

you said the Frog thing and for people that don’t know the Frog analogy they the way that you boil a frog um is that

you put it in a pot of cold water and you slowly increase the temperature of the heat on the pot you don’t just put

it in a pot of hot ass water that’s already boiling because the Frog will jump out but if you set a frog in a pot

of cold water and you slowly increase heat on the pot eventually the Frog will just boil and die and he’ll never jump

out because he doesn’t understand that he’s boiling yeah it’s body it’s just adjusts to the temperature and so the

normal gets raised up and body just doesn’t even notice that it’s killing it so we’re not it’s not that you know

we’re boiling or anything like that but they’re slowly conditioning the mind to

where the mind doesn’t make that quick you know polar 180 like aliens don’t exist bam aliens exist they’re here

they’re on way oh my God it’s slowly slow tur their brain and our chaos

potentially happening versus because people will just lose their [ __ ] nobody people will lose their [ __ ] and they

won’t realize it like wait a minute so how long collapse who knows what kind of you know well yeah because really

consider if it is ex if if they have been around for all this time and been doing so it’s like we’ve been fine the

whole time haven’t we it’s like but people would go out and they’d freak out and do crazy [ __ ] and it’s like there’s

no reason to just because they have the knowledge of this existing so let me try and let me try and see if I can get this

uh like you just said there and that that aligns with you know my my story theory that they’ve we’ve been fine so

if they wanted something to destroy us why would they not have done it by now so if

anything yeah it’s like okay we’re we are fine and they could like yeah okay yeah we actually have an alien that’s

been living at the White House be what but it’s like but it’s not affecting at least not in any way that’s

clear and if anything that could be actually helping who know who knows no yeah like like who knows and again

that like if it was AI from from a prior human civilization you know it it’s not

trying to hurt us if anything it was it could be have potentially helped Humanity along this is crazy I swear

YouTube scrubbed these videos dude they I can’t find like they do they actually

they YouTube does scrub stuff because I dude there’s I’ve seen there was used to be all these William Cooper interviews

on here and I like well dude like whenever Joe The Joe Rogan Trump interview happened it wasn’t easy to

initially find it like it was there but it wasn’t like it was the they so they

definitely play with what you know what’s available and honestly yeah I

wouldn’t be S surprised if things have been scrubbed so in the

meantime find another video in the meantime here’s a video for you to look

up because I think this is just a cool because I love something yeah give the

people something cool for sure so Coast to Coast AM I love it so type in Coast

to Coast AM Jerry Garcia story it’s super short but you can play it for people to listen to because I think it’s

a cool ass story and Coast to Coast AM comes on at 12

12:00 12:00 in the morning and plays till like 5 AM um but it’s a YouTube go

look at go look up the YouTube video just of J Garcia that’s it yes so get the volume rolling but this is old video

the from a caller and this is why the show is amazing cool I’m just making sure the audio hopefully I hopefully

I’ll hear it but we’ll see sure I had a really bizarre experience I can’t

hear all right okay and this occurred now several years ago a friend and I

were in a um Pub in Seattle having a couple of beers and we were carrying on

conversation and um I I was distracted by looking around and I see this one

person sitting about a table away and I totally last track what I was saying my friend saying that I was

distracted look over and see what I was looking at his mouth drops open his eyes

are are big as saucers and then this character rep

and you thought I was dead well this character happened to be uh Jerry

Garcia and this was a month after he died

oh that’s a great story yeah well it gets better we were dumbfounded and we

just you know kind of laughed it off thinking okay here’s somebody knows he looks like Jerry Garcia so we we go back

to our conversation and and um we both did a double take a couple minutes

later and this character was gone and he was nowhere at all in the pub at

all and uh we asked the bartender if they had seen this guy sitting there

that looked like Jerry Garcia now you can’t mistake somebody who looks like Jerry Garcia and he said

no never saw anybody sitting at that table at all it was the real deal wasn’t

it well that’s that’s what I think but you know of all places in Seattle a small

Irish Pub away from nowhere and later we thought you know what if what if he was

just trying to get out of the business and bed this whole death thing and then

show up in in the middle of some little Pub in Seattle to get away from everybody and pull it off because who

would believe after all the press release that Jerry Garcia showed up at

some little uh after the fact well you know it’s it’s like the old Elvis sightings that popped up for years after

he died as well I’ll be back in a moment more open I turned on the captions there I don’t know hopefully I if you yeah

I’ve seen it before so yeah so what do you what what what do you like so much about that story I I don’t know just the

just the uh the nature of the whole I think I think it’s just uh because that was whenever I believe was Art Bell I

think that was doing the show and uh just the element of the caller and that

the caller seemed to you know he really seemed to believe what he was saying wasn’t necessarily that I believed the

story all that much as well you know what I mean it’s just that uh yeah it’s just the whole the the whole setup and

the co I just wanted to give people the vibe of what Coast to Coast AM was and I thought I think it’s a neat story I

agree um just because obviously the guy felt convicted he didn’t it didn’t seem like something he was trying to sell

something that you know it seemed real to him and his presented a scenario that

okay yeah it did especially that was before you know the inter things was

tracked as Internet you know is what it is now with being able you know

theoretically he could I could you could see that that that is you know going to

his digging up his body and getting DNA evidence or something crazy that and it was at a time where and it was at a time

where I don’t believe like you you know you didn’t have cell phones and stuff like that and you can’t you know you would have had to you would have had to

have ran across somebody that had a [ __ ] camera that’ be yeah so you really could have gotten away with just

like I’m in a bar yeah and I’m wearing a hat and nobody knows who I am or what thought I think of that like a thought

experiment it’s like yeah neither of us are saying that we believe that Jay Garcia is alive but no that everyone has

experiences that they can’t explain and whenever like that guy he s j has that

experience he’s trying to figure it out and he’s just sharing an insane experience and sharing listen and he’s

just trying to share it and he’s not trying to push some something to where whenever you see something in the sky or

anybody sees something that it doesn’t mean that there’s an explanation it and

we just will you know naturally just try and fil make one like he his natural one is I could see okay he faked his death

to just get away from it all and I could that’s a believable Theory right and

he’s just trying to make sense of what he saw because a guy appearing and disappearing that literally says

basically Jerry Garcia you know what else are you going to do right so I feel like it’s a

thought experiment to where it just show it just shows you just to be open to

people having experiences that are unexplainable and a lot of times they don’t even share them

with people because they know that they’re unexplainable and they know that they’re going to be ostracized or be

like you’re crazy whatever to where it’s almost they feel like what’s the point of telling people the story because it’s

going to just be a joke and it’s you know to where it’s you need no yeah I

mean I think I think that uh I think um what’s important is that and what I like about a lot of that stuff I love I love

mystery I love the unknown I love uh you know room for you know uh

interpretation yeah it’s like rather than just you know well I’m not it’s not to say that I’m you know I deny obvious

things but I’m also very open to there being other you know I again I know that

I don’t know that’s like what Socrates said like I know that I don’t know know I know there’s a lot of [ __ ] yeah it’s

you know there’s a lot of [ __ ] that you know that if I woke up tomorrow and they say hey actually we’re floating on the

back of [ __ ] turtles or something yeah okay cool I guess that he actually

knows it all is the dumbest guy in the room right is kind of yeah yeah it’s like I just think that people need to

you know continue to just keep a keep a wondrous you know curious curious

curious exactly like children yeah absolutely like keep keeping keeping the mind keeping it’s yeah it’s like

something there’s so many there’s so many quotes about like about that about like keeping that like you know almost

like a mind of a child or whatever that Spirit of a child It’s like because that is you know it’s it’s what and that kind

of brings me back you know almost to what we were saying in our other episode about what my question was with AI and

stuff for the advancements of it it was like what what’s a human supposed to be you know and I think that that’s one of

the things that’s always like uh been so great about and has pushed human

civilization and everything so far has been the unknown and the Mysterious it’s but that’s what’s pushed us and I think

that uh when you that’s what’s made you know kind of the climate is I think

that’s what somewhat made society as dumb as it’s been is because we feel like we have everything figured out

already and so it’s like H we have gravity and space and you know science

and all of this figured out we don’t even have it figur we don’t even have figure which is funny Society is yeah

Society is so what I’m saying is that they’ve pushed it in such a way that where people we think that all these

things are figured out and it’s like oh just go just go get a job that pays you a lot of money so you can have a nice

place and have a nice life yeah and and we don’t plac you think other people

want to go to PO post and it just sucks it just it just sucks all the essence out of your sucking all it’s like I

think that pind and people have been pickpocketed and they’re being they’re

selling well they’ve been pickpocketed and they’re and they’re being sold their [ __ ] back to them in like in a lesser

form it’s like they’re being sold they you know happy it’s back in like a cheaper you know knockoff form in the

form of you know uh [ __ ] [ __ ] from HomeGoods yeah it’s the Pioneer

Spirit the Trailblazer the the adventurer you know the people that

sailed around the world the first time you know actually charted the Seas it felt like yeah I think what you’re

saying is spot on to where that that drive people are still born with it but

I think like what you’re saying is society and whatever however you to say culture Capital

whatever consumerism has found a way to take that energy and direct it towards meaningless things to where you know

those people it’s like oh they they probably could have gone on to do great

amazing things advancing and just Cur being curious about things but they chase they’re on the paper chase they’re

on the status Chase because Society has conditioned them to direct that energy

that way to where they didn’t haven’t even considered you know being passionate about something else which is

which is the sad thing which is I’m just yeah agreeing with what you’re saying no I’m glad you I’m glad you see exactly

that’s like that’s what I’ve seen for so long has just been like one of the biggest detriments or the big like the

saddest thing that’s happened to humans is that we’ve lost all like Spirit of just uh you know they we’ just lost all

of that wonder and curiosity and you know and again like I said it’s all been figured out and you know there’s nothing

to explore we know Spa we know everything there’s nothing to do just you know like you said you’re on the paper chase and so go chase these things

and you know don’t think about this other stuff but you know but that is not our listeners our listeners are exactly

Travelers [ __ ] Travelers is our is is who listens to us and they travel to

galaxies and also you know who listens to us softmax plus softmax plus

Michael he’s been doing some cool stuff he’s been doing fantastic stuff I just

uh so I read I read the left keus mystery as we all know um I’ve read I’ve

I’ve already read that but now I’ve started to break into this now that I’ve I’ve recently gotten some time away from

other books that I was already had prior obligation to read but now now I’m on to this one to pepperoni Powerhouse which I

I wanted to read this one uh before we interviewed what’s the backage page

summary on that that one uh the back page summary a pizza themed gang corrupts the lives of three teenagers

part one and it’s pretty cool man like he’s got like it’s it’s got a very Warriors vibe to it where there’s these

different gangs and they wear like different gear and stuff like that but yeah he’s doing some cool stuff yeah

dude launched show Chanel it I love it

no I did check it out it’s a great show yeah I enjoy it it’s funny what he’s I

like I like where he’s at man and I’m interested this just gives us more stuff to talk to him about whenever he joins

us again because you know we can ask him just about yeah we can ask him about the whole process of how that’s been you

know figuring out okay you had an idea you wanted to do this but now you know you’re refining it because he’s you know

he’s what’s kind of cool about it is that he’s in the same spot we’ve kind of been in too where he’s you know he

started doing this and now he’s trying to figure out I’m sure you know you just start something then eventually you’re

like oh [ __ ] we need to kind of change this or do something a little different or brush guy and he trying man originally

just sell his books and that’s evolved into yeah he’s still author and still wants to sell his books but he’s he has

a lot to offer and he has has a lot to offer that gets PE you know it gets to

get I don’t know for me I get an escape from reality and I’m in a good way in a curious way outside of whatever the rest

of the world is generally doing to where yeah I really love yeah he’s got he’s

got heat he’s got heat man I’ve said it before I’ll say it again Michael Michael swan has heat soft Max Plus heck yeah

man I think that’s uh I think that’s I think that’s uh it’s it’s been a good time buddy I don’t know uh has it yeah

and that’s I mean yeah I mean I could beginning of the day if there’s anything else you wanted to get to get on on no I

mean you know I I think uh I think we’ve gotten some we got some cool stuff of course there’s more things I could kind

of you know bring up and talk about and chitchat on um which I’m how long have

we been have we been going for now an hour so we did the one break and

I’m guessing the first video not sure it’s probably at least 45

minutes just want to make sure we’ve given people enough yeah I mean over an hour and a

half okay want to make sure too we haven’t missed any because I feel like sometimes too I walk away from an

episode and I’m like we could have we could have brought attention to that because we need to we need to do a a better job of of

forecasting what’s uh you know what what’s what’s looking at the week ahead for lining up our our content or talking

points you don’t have to he preached in the choir buddy oh I know but that’s

what I’m saying I’m taking the time now to think yeah I mean yeah there’s I know

from my notes there’s I get and interesting I was just

wondering if we could set up a guest I don’t think Joe Rogan’s gonna have enough time before the new year to hop on yeah he might be New Year yeah I

would text him but I think he’s in the middle of an IA trip right now yeah there’s a good good chance old Joe is

Old Joe is you know he’s figuring his life out right now at the moment I think yeah I think he’s I think he’s living

his best life at the same time man what a guy what a guy he’s living his best life at the same time is we all are

figuring out life aren’t we all have it totally figured out I did I do I do have

an uh coming briefly just the general of of

AI just it’s interesting that uh you can see a lot more stuff about AI agents or

agentic uh basically AI basic aeic and it’s like do like run programs or just you

know actually not just a chat bot but like an AI they can do things whether it’s you know execute

programs or if you put it in a robot an AI that could you know be some kind of

Labor it’s anything just you know it’s actually do functions a limit and so I

know the company like Microsoft and co-pilot they’re putting uh a releasing AI agents to where PE companies are

going to be able to use them and set them up and basically you know the the end the end result is that a lot of

employees aren’t going to be needed anymore uh but that and that’s just part of it but that’s I was just having an

interesting thought it’s and it’s just fascinating cuz kind of like we’re talking about last

week uh to to where you can’t really get away get away from Ai and I like end it

to just like the internet to where it’s it’s it’s you can’t imagine going somewhere and not being internet and

just over time in AI is great it and you think about because I remember I was going to college and then graduate

school uh in Information Systems the terminology big data and uh iot intern

Internet of Things where like okay they’re kind of there this was you know seven eight nine 10 however many years

ago those were like talking points as far as in uh you know computer science

you know Big Data was that and the Internet of Things Internet of Things is just the uh concept or just

really internet smart it’s basically you think about the C smart things smart I

got a smart light or I’ve got smart this smart that basically devices being able

to connect to the internet literally the internet being wired in to every you know to things and it’s just you know

almost so many things you get now they have Wi-Fi they connect to the internet and that’s but I just that was whenever

that was actually become like becoming a thing to where more and more things are going to be you know smart that that for

whatever reason that there was The iot Internet of Things was the terminology for it it’s all interesting because all

the in the inevitable the inevitability that I’m seeing is and it’s just it’s progression

I’m just speaking as what I’m seeing how it play out is we create an

infrastructure that the natural next step or it’s being the next step is okay

we’ve come up with AI and we’ve have this infrastructure where the internet is connected into everything so AI is

immediately going to be able to be connect conned into everything along with the internet and just be it’s like

we built the infrastructure and all this stuff and we didn’t know that I was going to happen but naturally it’s going

to perfectly make and that’s and I just feel like a way to be like man it’s going to really change things even

crazier than than people realize and it’s already interconnected to everything but the whole Black Box uh

element of AI that we really don’t actually know how the M like how the

networks and large language models like we don’t exactly know why and they’re doing what they’re doing like why they

work the way they do and the actual mechanics behind it and we have we’re deploying all these agents and it’s just

it’s funny to even think we’re calling them agents and I just have you know cons not conspiracy theory but I could

just have write a story where and they’re not even thinking of them

they’re not sleeper cells but imagining okay down the road we’ve basically given all our power and

control away not to other people but we’ve literally given power and control away to these AI agents that yeah we set

up these guard RS and parameters on what they’re able to do but who’s to say 10

however many years from now a person or an AI system couldn’t eily bypass those

and then literally just just think of like a hacker being the you know you see movies like where a hacker gets into the

public transportation system or is this able to easily disrupt everything because we’ve got everything connected

and that’s like a human bad actor and it could still you could theorize that a human works with AI but AI is get be all

these agents and agenic nature of it being connected to everything if AI does

go bad we’re we’re just we’re handing it the keys to

everything and and not not even considering the fact that we don’t totally understand how it works and that

it’s just interesting to me like we’re literally we’re going to start replacing our employ like as far as like desk workers a lot of analysts customer

service just you know people sit at a computer and do their job a lot most of those jobs are get be easily replaced by

AI in the current state in the current state AI because I’ve I only said because I’ve messed with AI enough to

know that oh I can get to run this analysis I can upload all this stuff and it can literally spit out we like a

president take can do all this stuff that I was spending hours or other people spend all this time doing so yeah

and so got AI agents easily repl and that’s just in this job but agents are going to be everywhere and it just it’s

just funny that could just Dem mad to the worst case scenario is we’re we’re

just like oh we’re it’s like in the Sci-Fi movies just got all these friendly robots then all out of nowhere they something happens and they decide

to turn whether it’s some other AI that you know opens their eyes who knows it’s

just interesting CU we’re setting it we’re setting it up to however place I

don’t think anything bad’s going to happen it’s just interesting because we’re giving the power we’re so quickly

giving the power away to something that we still really don’t fully understand

it’s just really it’s interesting yeah no we’re driven it away so quick because

it saves money because they can cut costs get get AI to do it and

you know there it’s not going to go wrong and it probably won’t it’s just you gota you gotta be for me it’s like

you got to be P Doom is the whole thing for a reason and I’ve talked about that

the probability of Doom the probability of AI going bad in the most general of sense is you know an actual you know

probability term that’s used you know by the bright Minds behind

Ai and most of I mean I’ve shown you like that before right yeah we’ve talked

about I w’t go anymore so I just had the thought about AI agents we being steep we’re creating setting them up to easily

be steeper cells that if things do go bad they already have control of everything to where it’s just it’s it’s

it’s funny to where it’s like oh man how do we even like they have control of everything it’s and we’re just setting

that up just like to set up the infrastructure for them to exist we’re setting up the infrastructure for you

know if things do go another way then it’s just it’s just funny it’s like what

can you do yeah and I mean you know personally for me the Chinese proverb comes to mind maybe whenever the guy

when the farmer’s horse ran away and the you know the the neighbor came over and he was like this is so terrible and the

farmer said maybe and then the horse came back the next day and brought seven wild Mustangs with it and the neighbor

said this is amazing he did farmer said maybe and next day the kid was out

riding a horse got bucked off one of the new horses CU he was trying to break a mustang mustang breaks his breaks his

leg Neighbor comes over he said God this is so terrible what a tragic event you know farmer says maybe maybe it is and

then the next day the con you know the it’s like a little while later the uh conscription officers and stuff come by

because they’re getting every able-body man to fight in the war and they don’t draft his son for the war because he has

broken leg and his neighbor comes over again and he says maybe you know he’s like oh this is amazing and the guy just

says maybe so we don’t really know I don’t know because I I do know that on the front end like with what you’re

saying with what you’re saying that it’s like you’re saying yeah it’s going to work out and it’s all going to be well and good right but then again too

there’s G to be there’s going to be certain steps that without a shadow of a doubt will take

AI years to close oh yeah for them being able to do physical for them being able

to do certain physical skilled labor jobs to to a certain level it’s going to be to where it’s affordable oh yeah I

don’t give a [ __ ] if Boston Institute of engineering or whoever hang on I don’t give a [ __ ] if Boston Institute of

engineering can make a [ __ ] robot that you can’t push over that’s like a [ __ ] Weeble wobble and can jump 12

feet in the air and can [ __ ] pour me a cup of coffee and [ __ ] drive to the store and get me some [ __ ] groceries

at the end of the day that [ __ ] that [ __ ] robot is gonna cost an average human being 2

[ __ ] 30,000 $400,000 to own something like that that’s not a realistic something a

proposition the cost estimate isn’t isn’t accurate but that it doesn’t change I think that cost because test

selling next year be 30,00 and I’m just I’m just saying and that’s what I’m saying and you’re going to see people that go out there and buy this $30,000

hunk of [ __ ] that can just pick a bag up that’s what I mean that’s what I’m saying is it you’re is is it there’s

these there’s these incredible advancements made on certain and I’m not and I’m not just talking on on just the

level of of physical labor because I know we’ve had that conversation but it’s like in terms of just that what you

said right there you think the cost estimate is off I don’t I think the cost estimate is right on for something that

has the ability again like whatever it is it’s like whoever it is B Dynamic something they’re out of

[ __ ] they make all that crazy [ __ ] and that’s what I’m saying [ __ ] that can do like what you’re seeing there and people

think they’re going to [ __ ] get with a Tesla robot is not it it’s not it’s not it

about it’s it’s funny cuz the safest job in like being a [ __ ] like you’re talking

about yeah manual labor and stuff is going to be last thing a plumber an electrician a ro a contractor PL yeah

this I was about to say plumber plumber is one of the safest jobs and I was getting my haircut and I was just talking to stylist I ha like stuff

massage like stuff like that yeah there’s stuff that they’re not going to touch at all like or this could be the

last thing because it’s not going to be the intricacies of like actually the data of that to crawl into a sink and do

all that [ __ ] yeah we’re not about to make a Rob they there’s no incentive for them to do that so there’s like

futureproof jobs being a like a plumber M like basically some of those manual labors like that are some of the jobs I

was getting my haircut I was almost thinking man like even if getting a

human to do that is always going to be some in massage therapists I was think I’m just thinking about future proof

jobs and then having a dog prostitution y dude dude that’s is and

always will be the old profession they might sure have robots to do it for cheaper but people still go on a human

but nothing like that human nothing like that human feel yeah no I mean I I just

I also too I think that somewhat again to wrap up you know we I know we’ve talked about we always talk about Ai and

we’re so different on the Spectrum just because I I come from a standpoint

of try say different like I’m I agree with everything you’re saying I know that’s the cost estimate but it doesn’t

change the point like the end point of the argument like the cost estim can be this or that but still the yeah robot’s

not going to come in here and do these certain jobs for another who knows if they ever get to it because it’s not

going to be in their best it’s not going to be a return on the investment to make it able to do it until this technology

makes it so cheap for them to do it you know like yeah it’s where it almost makes it to where until it gets to the

point where it’s like a [ __ ] flat screen TV know people that can’t give a [ __ ] flat screen away I had a

neighbor of mine I was helping to move [ __ ] the other day he was like hey do you want this TV and I’m like no man I

know my buddy crane was trying to sell his flat screen not too long ago before he moved and he’s like man I’ve tried to

sell this thing so many [ __ ] times I can’t sell it it’s one of those things where it’s I know and they’re everywhere and so many people have them and it’s

like so at that point eventually yeah like what you’re saying eventually whenever it gets so Advanced to where

the technology is just way Advanced to where you can’t hide it then yeah shit’ll be way more affordable and stuff

like that um I just think that again like with the I do think that the current state of AI again you come from

a standpoint of constantly researching and understanding and knowing the the current upto-date advancements and stuff

I’m strictly going off of gut I’m going off of my gut feeling and I’m going off of what I predict and how I feel about

it the same way Patrice O’Neal would say I I judge on a [ __ ] being guilty or not or whether how I think he is I

don’t give a [ __ ] about what they say like I don’t know think he did it like yeah so it’s like I’m just kind of going

off on my gut here and it’s like I don’t think that I think that AI has been way

to an extent I think it’s been way overhyped I and I think that there’s people I think there’s people that are

behind it that have spent a shitload of [ __ ] money on it and they’re looking

for money back and at the at the end of the day you’re not you’re not gonna

[ __ ] you’re not going to produce something that you’re trying to sell and you’re trying to promote you want people

to put your money into you’re not going to do that and then also not on the same hand be like this is the best [ __ ]

[ __ ] ever it’s so smart we’re on the cusp of gaining this we’re so close to AGI or we’re so close to this to get

people to keep [ __ ] dumbing the bread out and keep paying and so that’s that’s where I’m at where it’s like I know like

you said they’re already it is that’s what is scary though it’s at this it’s already at the spot where it could take

so many jobs like that that’s my thing even now it’s just even current state as

far as like job like jobs my type job you know basically job I have you know

it’s where it’s it’s going to be huge disruptor you know and that in not saying it’s could take over the world

but I’m just saying like it’s gonna disrupt it already is disrupting a lot

it can it can take over the the world to an extent to as individual the

internet’s connected to things to an individual extent to in a way because also like it can already today or

tomorrow it could take over one of the lowest level jobs that you have like for instance at McDonald’s a cashier like

they don’t even I went in a handful of years ago I went into the McDonald’s by my house and they had the kiosks where

you just order oh yeah you go up and order from it and you don’t even you don’t even need somebody that you you

need two people to run a kitchen three people and that’s it you don’t even need a cash any places where they have even

kitchens fully automated in Pilot like cities like you know who’s you know who’s you know who’s working on

automated kitchens or automated uh we’ve talked about them you know who you know who’s working on already the automation

process for making their food I mean I’m sure we talked about my number one place oh you’re oh yeah of

course Chipotle oh yeah Chipotle they got the they got the they got the they call it the burrito bot they say this

burrito bot he going to make a lot of burritos yep it’s going to make a lot no

I don’t know they don’t call it that but they do they actually do have a machine they’re working on like to be able to

make burrito bowls and stuff like that so I mean I agree I’m mean you’re right

we do agree a lot and we just say different [ __ ] and but I I that is the thing that I think is startling that

people do need to understand or look at is or just recognize is that like if another covid type situation happened

again the amount of jobs that would just [ __ ] disappear overnight are insane

because they’ve already advanced this to a certain point and companies have already put in these safeguards almost

like a buffer dog when somebody knows their dog’s about to die yeah that some people will buy another dog ahead of

time just so that when the one dog passes they already have one and they don’t feel like they went out and you know what I mean so it’s like they

already have these things in place yeah they have these things in place already where it’s like hey when this happens

you know okay another big you know disaster or something happens like bam automation or if they increase the

minimum wage to a certain point okay we cut our employees in half you know cut our employment in half and it’s like

have robots do the rest like they already have automated for clips and stuff so yeah man yeah and again a lot

of what I talk about is even I I would say yeah the ex like the extent of it

just being at least in just as a foundational idea just think what is the

Internet connected to and how and again I’m just talking about just not saying just take that away I

was just talking about like if just think about people being able to hack things if people could hack into your

home people can H like Stephanie’s talked about when to get a lock that you can you just put in numbers from like no

I always want to key I don’t want to ever be in a situation where that thing malfunctions or somebody’s able to hack

into it and that’s without considering AI That’s Just again comes back to the internet of things or not not even that

just technology just like some things you want to keep for me for my myself I want to keep mechanical and of a nature

that it it can’t be tampered with or somehow infiltrated in in in means that

are nefarious right think everything that internet’s

connected to and just that is just like okay the internet is connected to that if and that just being okay you know

well that’s like even with cars like now the way they like you’re not going to see if you have an older car that’s a

standard it’s not going to get stolen but if you have a newer car if you have some newer like uh Range Rover Mercedes

or something like that or you know it doesn’t even have it could be it could be a nice like newer Toyota so the thing

is is that what these guys do is they have these like transmitters that they carry and they like get they walk up to

the house and it’s like it puts off this signal so they get close to the front door and they hold this thing up no so

they it’s like they get close to the front door and they hold this thing up while another guy’s like in the car and

it gets the car it so they’re they’re what they’re trying to do is get close enough to the house to where a person

probably puts their car keys okay and it can pick up the car key and make and trick the car into thinking the keys are

in the car and so then they can start the car and so that’s how they get it because most people walk in and set

their keys down yeah so the guy will just get out and he holds up this thing that like goes into a satchel that has a

battery pack and it’s putting off it’s putting off something like some kind of like almost like a Wi-Fi signal trying

to trying boost that key key fob signal to where the car closer yes and then the

car starts because it thinks it’s closer so same thing like that’s almost like the the same way that they can do those

locks because I follow like I enjoy lockpicking like I have a little Lockpick Set I do it like it’s a fun

little hobby you know to just do and so lockpicking like they can also there’s

different easy ways to trip those nice like El because I’m my girlfriend has one of those locks where you punching

the numbers on in her place it’s like she has one of those locks and I’m kind not to right because no yeah yeah

exactly so but either way um yeah no man I mean never gonna get one of those I’m

like you don’t need any of that everything even so even your like don’t even get a nest don’t get any anything

that control your anything that can control your AC and heat and all that leave that to what it is because like

whenever there was the when the freeze was happening here in in Texas like a couple years back when there was we had

a nasty freeze and it knocked out a bunch of power um they were ending up like people that even had power but they

had the nest or the smart home thermostats they were getting notifications that like they couldn’t

even turn their [ __ ] on because the power grid it was it was like a fail sa something in the system that was telling

their like no you can’t turn on because we’re trying to conserve energy right so they ended up they ended up making it

where you couldn’t turn your heat on yeah like something get hacked or if it’s just a Simpson system that can

malfunction because again that thing is connected to some system that they were able to say no to conserve power it’s

like no I want certain yeah there’s so many things you should just leave if it ain’t broke don’t fix it like there’s

certain things that like I think you know I think it’s cool to maybe have uh have your have Bluetooth lights to where

you can change your lights like you have in a controlled way is that but in in in ways of like when it comes to security

and safety and like your comfort and what you’re paying for at your home absolutely not no man yeah I agree and that’s

that’s one thing we all we always do agree but uh you know we have we have a Fundy way of finding that intersection

yeah yeah because I embrace technology but the same time yeah I know comes a security and safety there’s like and

yeah again if something can be hecked or malfunction that’s of a crit has critical implications it’s like uhuh you

no want nothing to do with CRA if you’ve seen like movies where like and again I don’t even know choose like people get

PA if you get a current pacemaker which is it’s oh yeah you can’t do anything they have an app and they can control

which is great I mean that it again it’s great and it’s almost like well if it’s dying or this then I’ll I’ll go with

this but it’s interesting that even in a great it’s it’s great because it’s technology and it’s doing amazing things

but then just thinking of you know the vulnerability that that might potentially have again it’s that or

dying of course I’ll take that and there’s the risk in m functions or something but again it’s just it’s just

it’s just interesting on on the on the thing of pacemakers before you wrap it up and that just made me think How

likely of the possibility do you think the future of of like a repo men like

movie you remember the movie Repo How likely How likely do you think that is of actually happening in the future

where there’s like repo of like artificial organs because you know almost like we’ve Advanced to the point

where oh yeah if you could afford organs you could maybe live forever oh totally

no I I don’t think that’s that part is farfetched

no it’s fessing them yeah where they’re like

sorry you’re a week late on your lung payment [ __ ] damn it like oh my God

man yeah oh dude or they would just like what they’d be [ __ ] about it they could just like control your air like

just like digitally be like [ __ ] like I’m I’mma decrease it like the same way you get like a wireless like notification that it’s

like you’ve used 70% of your uh of your data for the week it’s like you’ve used 70% of your oxygen so they just turn

that so they slow your [ __ ] down like you know they slow your data down it’s like it slows you just like well guys

what are you oh you guys are going to play basketball yeah it’s like I can’ta heavy till payday like this

yeah like is Chris high no that Lo that payment’s coming up he’s got to conserve

oxygen he’s got to conserve his oxygen he don’t get paid till tomorrow man he gotta that’s when he get the rest of his

oxygen boosted back to 100% dude oh man that’s funny well all

right it’s good to laugh so before we know it’s good to laugh we got to do movie uh movie to see before you die and

I this shoot from the hip Mikey and just a movie that for years Timeless go back

from birth to now what is a a time this movie that you think people need to see

for the day it’s going to be a bit of a it’s going to be a bit of a because you said shoot for the hip I came straight

with the one that I thought of first it’s GNA be a bit of a rare movie somewhat of a most people I think will

enjoy it it’s technically it’s more of a kids geared movie but it’s older so I think people of Our Generation would

enjoy it because the [ __ ] they said movies back then that were kids movies they were more approachable now um but

it’s a movie you’ll I don’t know how you’re going to find it you’re probably going to have to illegally stream it but it’s called War of the buttons War of

the buttons War of the buttons I think that’s a movie and because it has like there’s one actor who’s in it it’s it’s

an Irish like coming of age story for young boys or whatever but it’s a fantastic movie A storyline the overall

sentiment there’s an actor in it that’s been in a shitload of movies and I can’t remember his name he’s an Irish actor

kind of got like as a child kind of has like no he wasn’t a kid he was an adult

like in the movie he played an adult but he has like a receding hairline and kind of curly crazy like John C Riley curly

hair but he’s an Irish dude Star Trek maybe let me see here let me before ibri

I bet it’s O’Brien from Star Trek the Next Generation 9 I’ll look it up give me one second

yeah I’m just P some money on a the actor plays a Brian and this is yeah’s

see I can look’s right here cast it’s probably him

no call meanie c o l m m a NE Y and that

just shows that a lot of Irish people look the same probably oh no this is him yeah that’s him that’s O’Brien from

start yeah the guy my Star Trek I was thinking of yeah that’s him yeah he’s in War of the buttons oh heck yeah it’s a

fantastic movie man you’ve got to watch it I love I seriously I can’t recommend it enough man it’s such a my aunt

recorded that movie for me off of a VHS from live TV uh she recorded that movie

from like PB she recorded it off of like PBS and one time I came in town and she was like oh I got a movie for you I was

like what’s that because like she always we would do like a snuff film or something weird but this was actually

good no yeah yeah this is a good movie man you gotta definitely got to check this out um hey uh no before we go I

know I know we’re about to go or whatnot I know we’re sneak in what you trying to sneak in here no it’s it’s

something for you because you were talking about like how AI it we only know so much about networks and things

like that yeah um go check out uh check out yeah go why don’t you go check out

uh [ __ ] go to our Instagram and see the messages I sent to our page because

it’s how I thought it was cool because maybe you could maybe it’s teaching or showing you something but how neural

networks like process oh yeah information so go to like our messages

there you go Joe random bam so this is kind of cool it’s like using

a layering approach or something oh yeah I don’t know if you’ve seen this I

haven’t seen this one though but that’s really cool oh yeah just watch it goes through the whole

process that’s a cool way to show to help explain neural Nets like visually

showing you how it sees yeah cuz and I think it also

explains why they [ __ ] [ __ ] up sometimes whenever you’re trying to get videos made yeah exactly yeah so

there a’t that interesting yeah that’s cool that’s actually really really cool simple quick yeah visual iig I wanted to

show you that because you were saying that about neural Nets and how we still don’t know a lot about them and I’m like oh [ __ ] like I want to show you that

like fig yeah yeah neuronet that large language model yeah yeah oh yeah we

understand that but then yeah built those are components of large language models and then there’s mysterious things Happ but so yeah there’s like

it’s we understand the nuts and bolts so that’s like what makes the magic of it

even crazier it’s like yeah yeah but Co made me watch that because it’s I

know it was quick and I just figured it’d be something you could share we could share with the viewers and you could also have they couldn’t see it so

that’s just for us oh they couldn’t okay cool right on well yeah so yeah recommendation you go ahead and start us

off well potato I’m looking to you um all so potato what what should we

recommend for the week okay take give yourself a I know

you might everyone feels a lot of times busy but give yourself a little nap when

you least expect it you know I mean if obviously you don’t have any pressing thing and you’re just kind of it’s a

point of the day and you’re you’re you know you got a ton of stuff to do but you know there’s nothing that okay then

the world’s going to end if I don’t do it now or do it tomorrow take a little break lay down for 30 minutes just rest

your eyes go back last week here a wreck about putting on some peaceful meditative sound and and just zone out

and I was telling my wife last night and I forgot about this there’s some there’s some type of magic to the game Tetris

and oh yeah the like the blocks literally into where like you you’ll

dream like tetr do something about the the blocks falling in I in the game it

just it has a psychological subconscious effect to where you’re laying down I don’t know if if you can’t relax and you

got a cheap phone and you you know you might play that but ideally just take a little try and take a little power nap

and take it easy just like a pug potato takes naps all day I like that that’s that’s a good one

I say my recommendation of the week would be uh you know uh it’s it’s going

to be somewhat of a quick little two-fold one uh twofold number one get ahead of your spring cleaning and clean

your space up clean your spaces up now do it in the winter because well yeah because it’s gonna especially when

you’re in Texas it feels better it’s like s minut ABS I got six minute abs do

do don’t wait till spring yeah so get ahead get ahead of your spring cleaning and get on that now because the weather

and Texas is great you open up your windows especially if you got to clean out your garage or your patio Now’s the

Time to do it and and then I’ll say really the main one aside from that Vibe

your space up man Vibe your space up so many of us go around living life with overhead oppressive lighting and and and

with with with spaces that just don’t and for no reason we live our lives like

this for no reason like these little let me show y’all something real quick these little candles these these little

candles back here you gotta you got oh oh my god oh oh okay they’re not real

dude you got they’re not real they’re not real he’s gonna burn his house down these are fake candles you can buy these

things stole from a restaurant right shut you go down to your steak Na and

they got them all dude shout out staking I don’t think they’re dude that who man

steaking yeah what shout out Bennett you go down to your local talk about a relative reference holy [ __ ] yeah man

yeah I know Matt’s really been out there no man Vibe your space up man because I

it’s one of these things like we’ve had the I’ve had these for a minute and you last night I saw yeah they were

everywhere looked cool dude it really was Vibe and so that’s the thing is that it’s like little stuff like this doesn’t

really cost you much money um and you know I did it for the occasion of having

people over but you know at the end of the day we should do it for ourselves every day like this little black light I

got a little black light in here with it’s and I I’m like this emotional health just make make your space want to

make your space feel more unique and not so Stark and just like you everywhere we

go is just stupid just make it your head flent everywhere you go is florescent

lighting yeah absolutely absolutely and and I think that I think it goes so far

to vibing your space though because it’s like Matt’s house I go to Matt’s house and when I walk in and I go back to

Matt’s room it’s viy I can I’m chilling I’m like man I could sit in here and watch a movie I could talk for hours um

I could I could do all kinds of stuff in here I could talk about the many Christmases I’ve experienced in this place many many Christmases um and yeah

and so so yeah VI Vibe space of many days and share your Vibe with us man if

you got a Vibe b space you know tag Us in it post it on your page or something on Instagram and tag the Mikey and me

podcast and say Vibes we VI this [ __ ] up I love it I love it Mikey so yeah well

it’s that time at the beginning and end of the day we

BC stop recording