[Music] [Applause] greetings Travelers you just crash landed on the Mike Me podcast but fear not for this is no mistake no Fault in Stars no glitch in The Matrix now I’m afraid this has all been planned predetermined by Powers know not to us but fear not for you’re among friends so pull up a chair and join us as we find our way together Matthew Michael Spore how are you boys how you boys doing Spore how’s that how’s the Spore feeling Spore is feeling good man I think the Spore is feeling good it was two weeks

ago that we saw him right it was it was it does it’s nice that it didn’t feel that long but at the same time it feels like it’s been too long it’s been too long it’s a paradox and now we’re back as we said coming off the heels of having uh having boner I mean well we’re coming off the heels of having uh spitzel here being on our last interview with the street artist good luck Buddha and that was amazing oh yeah our Elder Millennial thank you brother that’s great thank you for joining us for the

time per description yeah he he graced us with uh with much knowledge and so as promised we’re back now with uh about to be having an interview with an incredibly talented and gifted uh human being goes by the name of Chris boo uh he’s a surreal artist surrealism uh yeah and we’re going to get all into oh yeah and we’ll be going through his Instagram and a bunch of his stuff but yeah he’s boyco art b y k o a RT like Instagram and then you know uh what’s our patreon that we got set up I think

you’re supposed to set that up like you do everything else okay guys someone’s knocking on the door um we’ll take a quick break and we’ll be right back with our special guest welcome back and uh at this point we’re now going to welcome and we’re now joined by our very special guest uh ma’am goes by the name of Chris boo out of Georgia and he is a surreal artist and we’re very happy to have him here so Chris thank you for being here well thank you for having me yeah absolutely yeah no yeah that’s yes so

excited I mean hopefully say we’ve been have a little back and forth but it’s you know it’s always great to to see and actually have that human engagement you know yeah we’re also yeah we’re also joined by our buddy our our mutual friend here Spore thank you for being here again help us out uh but yeah so uh we’ll uh we’ll go ahead and get get right into whatever whatever we got for you um but yeah so I guess kind of just to start just for people like probably like me even uh who don’t have a real simple

understanding of what surrealism is which is that’s what you do correct it’s yes really real yeah so there’s like brief history is that um it’s an artistic and literary movement that emerged in the early 20s Prim primarily led by Andre Bretton who published the surrealist Manifesto in 24 so I guess it sought to unlock the power of the unconscious mind aiming to create artart and literature that transend rational thought and Convention sists were very heavily influenced by the foran’s psychoanalysis particularly the

exploration of Dreams in the unconscious so dream ay takeway Freud’s influence a dream imagery uh real M moments I guess what uh I guess in 30s is whenever it really seemed to take off and then just key artist Andre Bretton the one I recognize like at most people be Salvador dolly that might be their easiest way just to think of you know a popular popular like a Picasso it’s like oh think of a dolly there’s a form of serialism and yeah and then I get U Max Ernst who’s one that I know you’d kind

of come up come across so but yeah so that’s just a brief summary for uh people like me and anyone else who just kind of want to have a a little better idea before going into what we’re about to be seeing cuz I think it’s an amazing this beautiful style that so allows like you know the UNC all all that you know so it’s going look look weird to a lot of people but yeah no his stuff is super dope yeah so yeah so for to start off uh just kind of be interested to know with that little brief thing about what what

all we’re talking about is um if you could just kind of let us know like where did it all start for you with with doing art and kind of where you got now like if you could take us you know as quickly as you can from the beginning to where you are yeah so I mean I’ve been doing you know make it hard you know I guess you can see my entire life but like you know eventually you know carried on with it went to college you know for it um I wasn’t really aiming to create like Sur art it more like I was

creating this stuff and then someone one of my professors one of mentors told me you know oh you know this is surrealism I you know at the time I was you know early on in college I didn’t really know much about it um so then you know from there I just kind of continued doing my own thing and letting it like evolve and you know explore it um and that kind of pretty much led me to where I’m at today with it um you know so there were definitely like times where you know some things stuck and some things didn’t

um you know not every you know thing try to landed the mark But like I kind of landed on this kind of Blobby forms um and it kind of just I don’t know it really connected with me I kind of you know from there style you set out to emulate or anything just like it was your own style and then later on somebody saw it and was like dude this is surrealism and it’s like yes yeah exactly yeah okay that’s dope and so from there at that point it’s like once you did you find yourself s uh being going and looking at other surreal

artists or surrealism did that at any point influence or is it just something that kind of just came natural to you and it happened to be something that other people have been doing it kind of came natural to me to be honest um I really like look at other thr artists um I definitely paid a lot of attention to like a lot of the um I don’t know like rcoa art um like Baroque stuff a lot of stuff that was kind of opposite of what I was doing I was kind of looking at only because I don’t know I think it’s

probably healthy to kind of get a idea of you know the opposite end of the spectrum I guess you could say um and kind of understand the opposite side of things and kind of learn see what you can learn from them on the opposite end um so I was looking at a lot of that and then I guess something I guess going back before college and like even I don’t know early on childhood stuff you a lot of it I don’t you know drawing I was drawing and paining a lot just from my own imagination then I think that aspect of kind of drawing

from your own imagination kind of carried on into you know college and you know adulthood and stuff um and kind of I think I don’t know I think it’s aspect of childhood I don’t know imagination that carried on into heart today in some ways yeah no that’s that’s be that’s beautiful so like it sound so literally in this how old were you when I guess you were in college you said correct like whenever but you’d been just literally out of your side of your mind you didn’t like look at anything

and think I think I might try and draw some version of that it’s just kind of this is what came out yeah um I know like one thing I learned our history was back way back in the day the Greeks would like paint images on their walls because they couldn’t afford no one had a window so instead they paint like scenes like Landscapes and stuff on the walls um and that was like their version of window so that really inspired me because I don’t know it’s kind of like that the invitation and you know being

invited to like another world I guess you could say yeah yeah no that’s really cool I never like I’ve I feel like I’ve heard you what you just said there about the window thing but like it just kind of made a connection of kind of how you end up you know only limited by your perspective yeah one how it’s like how you end up upon what you’re doing here that’s really yeah yeah no yeah I mean a lot of your stuff is really great go ahead than no I was just gonna ask you do you have who are your influences like

is there anybody that when you were young because I know as an artist myself like I would look at things like I’d watch Bob Ross it’s like man I could do that and I get in there and it turns into a swamp immediately turns yes I know what you mean uh I liked Francis Bacon a lot have you heard of Francis Bacon yep I liked him a lot um and I don’t I mean he’s related to Kevin Bacon right yes what s degrees he’s like zero six degre yeah guess he’s like zero degre yeah so when you were young that’s

like you looked up to these people you tried to emulate them yeah you know yeah yeah in some ways yeah so did you start like drawing or were you painting or what you what was your medium when you first started um like a very young age I was doing like pastels and then I started oil painting though around I don’t know how old you are in fifth grade like 10 or so I guess wow that’s crazy bro that’s crazy and it was the same like art instructor through all of like I don’t know when I was like five to 18 he

taught like the like the kid classes at this okay was it like a magnet school you were at or like it’s no this was like so this was like a um like an art and Recreation Center like within the town I was living in that’s in coming Georgia but so the guy he was kind of like the sole you know art instructor of this art and Recreation Center um so he would do the kid classes but then he also did the adult ones as well um so you know starting out at like just you know the kids summer camps there and then going on to taking the actual

classes like every Tuesday night so he’s like a mentor it sounds like yeah yeah and he let me do my own thing when I was there so like a great so that’s really so he was there from the age all the way through high school like that’s crazy have that consistency with an individual like that with art like that’s that’s that’s really cool too and just to have had it’s like having the same coach for 15 13 years like yeah you really get to know help so there’s really that there is like rare and unique and that that’s

awesome yeah and then in college you know I had like all my got pretty close to a lot of my professors in college too like I still stay in contact with one of them a good bit um we see each other every now and then and stuff yeah and which sorry and so B so which school did you go to Again canas State University in Georgia okay yeah yeah it’s not you know one of the big state colleges but it was a good it was definitely a good college um I learned a lot there yeah it’s like I went I went to college and

everything and I guess like so and I originally wanted to do film and all the stuff but I said it on something else like so you went in like at what age in high school I just like I’m going to go pursue art on the at the next level I guess I don’t know I guess it was 17 or 18 at that age okay um I didn’t really think of like I wasn’t really considering anything else that going in the College like it’s like what it’s a natural thing like what I don’t like why wouldn’t I do this you know you’re so

into it that make that makes perfect sense I’m I’m just curious because yeah I it’s like I had a similar path but I ended up you know switching degrees and stuff but uh so that’s that that’s really cool just because I just know that it’s a big decision going in like for the young age like you know it’s one of the first big biggest decisions I guess we get if you do go to college you know which is fascinating um I got a question it what point did you really realize like that you that you kind of

had you know that you really had something you know with what you were doing I think it was I don’t know junior year of college or so towards like maybe middle of college or end of college somewhere around there um I think it was towards the like middle of college I was like I feel like I really had you know like had to be a standout in that class I bet that graduating class me I don’t want to brag but I mean no no we’re asking you we just like to know like means people get an idea like you know of how how special what you

what you do and how good you are yeah but yeah I mean no brag please I’d like to know well I think that’s probably part of Reas I definitely I did pretty good in college and all that that’s awesome yeah I think that’s probably part of the reason too where it’s like that like you think that art instructor cuz I had a I had an art teacher when I was in elementary school I I did a lot of art when I was younger and then got away from it but I remember early on where it was like I had an art teacher

in elementary school that like saw something in me that would like that she was like you need to do lessons like and she actually like gave me art lessons and stuff because she saw something in me and it’s like I didn’t necessarily pursue it but is that kind of the same thing like with your art teacher where it was like you were going to the classes but he saw something in you that it’s like yo this kid’s got something and if I can you know kind of coax it out of him I think so yeah I think so um

because it’s hard I guess like without some like the outside like perspective I guess it could be you know hard to know or difficult to tell if you have because you think what you was like yeah this is a really good one and it’s like somebody else looks at it and like that’s kind of crap or man that’s really good and you’re like really that’s awesome man yeah so I’ve I when I started buy an art when I was up in Canada I the first guy I ran across was Stephen Gibb and he’s the dude behind me he does surrealism he

calls it like bubblegum surrealism or pop surreal or something like that yeah but it’s just it’s wild looking stuff and I got on looking and I’d get it online like satachi or however you pronounce that and yeah yeah Etsy and that sort of stuff and I look up surrealist artist and there is just a ton of [ __ ] on there you know just like it looked like my third grader just scribbled something and they’re putting it up for $5,000 and there are four artists that I that I’ve bought from and you’re one of

them because when I found your stuff it was like oh wow this is this is super crazy and they’re pulling up one now that you did for me yeah yeah it’s just it’s super like how do you and and I think there was something about automaticity in the way you paint yeah did you tell us your process in what that word means yeah basically like so like I’ll have like a general like sketch of like what I want to do okay is that pencil on a canvas yeah well so I do like I have my Sketchbook here so like oh show it up

yeah so like I do like I have like you know very can see it like loose drawings you know of things I might be like you know just ideas put on paper but then that’s all the time right probably anytime of the day any moment type thing yeah yeah it’s a good bit my free time um and then like so like I’m I’m always drawing little ideas and stuff like that um and then but like when it comes to actual painting you know I’ll I’ll do like the general outline of the you know the composition of it

but all the little shapes and like details you see within the painting like that all forms like just on its own like naturally as I’m going like real time yeah um and it’s just kind of like I don’t know you just kind of as you’re going along you can see like oh well this piece could you know fit in here and this could fit in here and just kind of you know but you have that Baseline foundation and structure kind of it’s like okay here’s the framework then everything else kind of free flows

within that yeah so like I know the colors I want to use I now have like the Baseline down and besides that like it the rest just kind of forms naturally that’s cool because it’s like with obviously with this piece here he he contacted you and would you you know I’m sure you told him what that you’re from Waco you wanted a Waco inspired piece something like that is that correct yeah yeah I’ve done I’ve done a few commissions and I try to say as little as possible just so I can let them do whatever they want that’s what

I’m buying not I don’t want to pay for an artist to paint this and this and this here’s an idea and just run with it so I find it it was very open-ended for me like you yeah no so that’s cool because I think it’s interesting that it almost seems like if I look at the majority of your other pieces are just they don’t say anything in them mostly from what I’ve seen like this one says W and you have the Alo building in the back so I think it’s cool it’s like your other ones seem like you’re just kind of

letting the art create itself and you’re going with it and enhancing everything that you see when you see it maybe and then what I find interesting with this is that you know you kind of you have some other inspiration so you add I think it’s really cool how you’re also able to add that and still create which I don’t know he’s applying his effect across the to it’s like you’re applying the effect to you know what they’re what they’re asking just cuz yeah for me I I see this and everything you create in my

mind I look at it it’s it’s like a different world or P of existence or a different state of mind is just something you wouldn’t there’s no connection to the anything in the real world so it’s cool though it shows like Aaron commission this and you knew it was there I don’t know and for me this is the first thing that I’ve seen of yours that has like a direct link somehow to reality you know which is it’s just really cool and it shows that you’re dude that I think it’s beautiful Alo I’m

just curious for what that even that’s a real thing the amicable life insurance company it’s the tallest building in Waco and has been since [ __ ] when a in like the 50s it’s the only they built in 1911 it was building west of the Mississippi yeah no it’s a it’s an insurance building oh no I’m sorry yes I see that and then makes me think of the stat it’s right the middle of downtown W it survived the so this is like his mind just filtered and then here’s Waco that’s so cool like this might be the only pain

I’ve done where it was like tied to like a an actual location okay so then like it was like you know it was a good I don’t know it was like a good challenge you know good exercise yeah it was yes yeah I agree yeah because you you applied your craft in a different like you had a focus you know but yes yeah that’s so cool so this is the very first time like this experience they did that that’s so cool well I mean no go ahead please go ahead I don’t know I would like to I have plans I mean loose plans but eventually somay in the

future I would like to like Branch out and other things like L and stuff like that and other like I don’t know yeah like how long does this take you like for this one I’m just curious uh I don’t know it was like a month or so what did you use like it took a little bit longer I think that other stuff going on all the time was that pain but also it’s like being commissioned getting paid that’s like a whole different level of okay yeah just even the motivation but it’s righteous but it’s just okay I’m

put the T you know I’m just thinking in my mind just that being going through that experience for the first time and that’s I hate being commission I love that you two captured that em that we happen to be real good friends with Aon I don’t know this it’s so interesting to me so since you both do since you both do turn you think hope it turned out well dude oh yeah is is where I have it I have it in in a spot in my house that we just so happened to have a yellow chair that’s that exact same color and it just goes

from the chair like straight up into the thing he crushed it oh that’s really cool yeah that’s cool yeah and I’m of course I’m in Waco so it’s nice to have and I always like doing kind of City Art so I wanted a little bit of that and I asked him I’m a big Gardener so I told him to throw in some stuff like that you could see the eggplants kind of scattered on the bottom like mechan almost like they’re worshiping something too it’s crazy yeah no I was just curious because of something Aaron said when like he was

talking about getting it commissioned and since you both do like commission stuff Aaron’s like I hate doing commission stuff it was like he he kind of felt like he was throwing you a bone Well he kind of felt like he was throwing you a bone by giving you as little parameters as possible it’s like yeah he because that’s probably how Aaron would prefer it is like if you want me to do a commission give me as little parameters as possible and let me run wild with it is that how you like to do it or or do you want somebody to be

like look I I really want you to tell me like what it is you want and then I’ll go wild with it no I like I like how Aaron did it okay yeah and I kind of figured I’ve known Aaron forever so I know his thought process I I used to sit next to him at work and watch him just it’s like he can draw [ __ ] out of his head like I never could and so it’s like I don’t know who Aaron is yeah but either way and so it’s like I I can see why he would say he would like as little parameters as possible and so why he

extended that to you I just was curious like yeah and and naturally I just wonder if you’ve had other committ like a good amount or is it regular thing n it’s every every now and then like I’ve done it’s every now and then um I’ve got some weird commissions though where I’m like where they do put a lot of primers in it I’m like I don’t know if this is going to work like I yeah like someone wanted me to do one of like a like in my style but they want like a like a soldier on like a

battlefield like a modern soldiers I guess he’s like and make it ultra realistic put Trump in the background yeah oh man you’re like you know I want I I would like to turn it down I just in my head I knew this is no there’s no way this going to look good well that’s interesting position to be in to have for you know to just be the best to turn it down you know because you care about you’re not about the money and whatever you do you have other you know you have a full-time job I take it and then this

is like your passion that you spend time doing on the side roughly yeah just like me in this podcast our podcast well would you would you counter it though too where it’s like it became a fulltime job I wouldn’t complain EXA exactly exactly you love it you do it because you have to you’re an artist you’d be doing it no matter what that I asked would like so when somebody asks you for something like that like do you just off top you’re like I don’t think I’m going to or would you come back and rebut you

know just because you love doing it so much that it’s like I could maybe give you something like this like not so much on this side but this would that you know was like negotiate with it or is it just pretty much like this is what I want it’s like that’s not really what I do I try to negotiate with it like it’s hard to tell someone no at the same time like yeah y yeah it is I just feel like yeah the the one that you talked about having to say no to it’s like at least I just get this feeling that it’s just

because you know this fundamentally at no point is that they’re going to allow me to kind of do and be who I am with it to It’s just in the best interest of everybody that’re if they’re not let you do that then they’re not going to get a boo like they’re not g get it you know so it’s really just best to part ways kindly yeah yeah and like I feel like it’s because if they have like an idea in their head too what they want to look like it’s never going to be that you know what I mean like no matter what I

create it’s never going to be that thing that they have in their head that like yeah connect to like which is so great about surrealism it’s like it’s almost it’s it’d be it wouldn’t be realism if if it was like she I mean I you know I could just go off thinking about it yeah yeah yeah well that’s I mean what I know with your style it’s you can’t like when somebody comes to you it’s like oh I want a dragon like I don’t want to draw a [ __ ] Dragon yes yes I want some Chinese

calligraphy tell me about stuff like that like they want dragon or something I it’s not really my thing I mean yeah and that’s it with your style like surrealism like you start out with an idea and then you start letting it go and and that’s where you find your real Artistry but when they try to pin you down with no do this and then draw a soldier it’s like I don’t want to draw a soldier exactly yes yes exactly and it’s like I don’t want to play doing that and it’s like I don’t think it’s gonna work

and it’s like it doesn’t I it’s not like my thing yeah yeah yeah yeah because everybody you like you said said it best when somebody wants you to do something they have this idea in their head and it’s like I’m definitely not doing what you think you’re gonna get yeah is there ever a point though too where it’s like you got one that’s like right on the borderline that it’s like that’s not really what I what I do but I’d like to challenge myself and see if I could

maybe maybe get this done or do you just there’s been some times like that too um and it turn out fine I’m trying to think of a good example okay all right we’re back we’re back Google first of all Matthew is we’re gonna we’re we’re calling Google tomorrow because uh they Dro our call talk to which and I’m going to show up at their front office and there ain’t GNA be nothing surreal there’s GNA be something surreal about these hands I throw with the Google front office people because I’m like a

good old country ass whooping on them for cutting that off but so I got a question um we we’ll hopefully come back we’ll get back on the train of thought you were on before we got cut off but the question I kind of have for you is um how do dreams and subconscious imagery influence like the whole creative process of what you’re doing or does it at all I think so I think definitely subconscious imagery does because then like I might draw something and then I’ll think about well you know this might reference you know this this or

this you know XYZ um and then that will me down like a rabbit hole of you know drawing something else or trying to figure out how it all LS together things like that um and then that could help form like the idea for the painting okay um yeah yeah so I I definitely think like the subconscious like imagery helps a lot um it’s definitely you know plays a key role I guess in the creative process yeah and it’s like you applied that without necessarily thinking I wanted to represent the subcon conscious mind in some way it’s just that sounds

like that maybe is just what’s happened I don’t know yeah yeah yeah I think it’s a good way putting it yeah and I was going to say is that something that you kind of identified later how that kind of plays a role in what you’re doing because I feel like it was funny when Matt was like describing at the beginning the you know the description of surrealism I’m sitting here kind of thinking to myself I’m like I have a feeling that you had no idea what any of that was or none of that played a role

in you’re doing what you do it’s just so happened that you started doing it and people were like yo this is that yes that’s that’s exactly what happened so you’re born natural that’s aming this is what came out of you’re born as a human and you didn’t really know anything about and it’s just you started art and that is it’s you are surrealist yeah yeah pretty much yeah that’s cool man I think that’s so cool because you got it’s so fascinating I don’t know it’s you’re driven I feel

like I have to be driven like and I’m driven in a certain way but yeah it’s so cool I don’t yeah I could ramble I feel guilty if I’m not making art right it’s like what you’re wow you say sorry that that sent me to another train of thought you said you’re guilty if you’re not making it feels guilty it’s I feel like if I don’t go for a run every day I feel like I’m you know like Aaron do you feel the same way Che yourself Aaron about running no about he yes about art no I was in the Army he

like I gave that up years ago no so I’m the type of artist and tell me how you stack up Chris like I’ll go where I’m just doing stuff like crazy and then I’ll go for months where I don’t have the slightest desire to do anything oh no I can’t do that okay wow okay yeah okay I feel like so I feel like if I if I take a break like that I feel like I’m going to lose like my ability to create art or something you know oh yeah okay okay I know so are you talking you feel guilty like you’re going to start losing

skill yeah yes yeah I’m GNA lose okay so that’s fascinating to bring the motivation of the guilt I guess CU okay so you’re you think which is good everyone wants to improve but I don’t know kind of a comment in me and Mikey were talking earlier just a concept of like art itself I was thinking you know outside of art there is good right and and then there is like bad wrong but in the world of art there just is yes like I don’t think there’s good or bad right or wrong you know it’s like like for

people that are just genuinely doing it and that like somebody with some malicious weird intent behind it to begin with but like what’s coming out of you naturally like I in my mind like there no like oh this is better or worse I I wasn’t as good here at that point in time like it’s all pure and beautiful you know and from my perspective yeah yeah so you couldn’t get worse than my mind even if you thought like I don’t I don’t think there there be no there’s no in my mind there’s no worse you know

it’s like whatever you spit out if you that’s just me thinking you know but it it’s interesting you know just the different way different people to think about it you know that’s cool like yeah I I could be wrong it’s almost like I don’t know I guess it’s like riding a bike or something you know like you didn’t ride it you bike for a long time and you just jump back on I guess you could forget for me it might be roller of a bike but still same concept good analog still you’re still a

little rusty even jumping on a bike and it’s like in my mind I just think even if there was like a weird difficult period of feeling like you’re as good as Z before then and and again I just it’s almost like even what difference it it is creating that knowing that you had this whatever coming back to that level I just feel like it would create a different path not bad or different but just be you know it might be like oh all these pieces are a little different than before and there was like this was me

rediscovering something and my mind just kind of went this direction this time you know well yeah yeah sorry I think crazy word it’s just like I don’t think it’s it would all be beautiful the matter what but it’s it’s I understand being critical of of yourself which you have to be it’s weird you know is true yes I think we’re all GNA be pretty critical of ourselves I likea we’re Our Own Worst critics oh yes yes U that is definitely true but I like the the idea of like taking a break we talk about

like and then coming back to it and then it forming a slightly different like variation I guess that kind of like I was saying just like that’ll just be yeah to like and it’s good in my mind it’s good to take short break but yeah that’s so that makes sense to you yeah yeah it’s like off shoot I guess or EXA yeah like a different branch it’s like that point in time whenever oh he didn’t do anything for a month but you’ll know deep down like that’s whenever I took a break and then it kind

of evolved into something different you know yeah yeah so it be good for I’m yeah it’s just yeah it’s I’m sorry I going you had a question yeah no like I was just saying it sounds to me where it’s like like where Aaron was asking you know it’s like do you draw all the time like Aaron I think is the type that it’s like he gets that that [ __ ] inspiration or whatever and he gets some IDE ideas in his head and he has to get them out and you know it’s like so you’ll go real [ __ ] hard for a real

long time and just pump out a ton of [ __ ] that’s like real intricate real crazy that it’s like I just got these ideas I got to get out but it sounds like like Chris what you’re doing is more of like you know not like a volume mentality but just like a little bit every day and you’re just you’re honing that neural pathway and try trying to just trying to refine it as much as you can and just trying to get reps even if it’s I’m not working on anything specific I’m just sitting here doodling

on something while I’m working you know I know Aon does that too but like as far as like artistic like the way you two look at it Aaron has an idea he needs to get out whereas like you look at it very much like I’m I’m actually refining this specific skill or this skill at any in time yeah yeah I think that’s a good way of putting it that I think putting it yeah awesome I I have that’s a good that’s a good question because I mean it’s it makes a lot of sense like help help get kind of

an understanding as to uh you know everybody different like you don’t like you’re never gonna if you want to get good at it it’s like you know you could go about it like Aaron does where it’s like dude I’m just gonna sit down and I’m going to draw on [ __ ] for [ __ ] six hours you know and or it’s like I’m just GNA do this every few minutes or I’m going to micro dose it or macro dose it basically so there’s no wrong way to go about it it’s like just do it no no there really isn’t I know people do both

ways pretty much or you know or some combination in between like I feel like there’s there’s a like a wide variety of like I don’t know people’s creation process interesting what about you what do you say about that what do you have to say about about that that was a direct attack against your artistic style by me yeah who knows but I know Mike you wanted ask something yeah so my question was uh I’ve know that I’ve seen that there’s been some crossover between other people who’ve done serialism and

stuff like that and I just from having follow other followed other artists work I see that they eventually kind of go outside of the scope they do but in in in regard of what you’re in regards to what you’re doing you’re doing surreal ISM and I my question is I’ve seen some other surreal artist who’ve also done sculptures and sculpting things is that something that interests you or that you’re involved with or have you already done um so I just experimented with sculpting a candle recently okay yeah

okay I saw I think something I saw that online somewhere yeah yeah so my wife has candles all all over the place so I was like I’m almost go on these like might as well try it I have the tools husband of a Candle Maker that’s brilliant yeah so I sculpted it and I thought like so here’s my thought process with it if I did more of it it’s something where it looks you know it’s definitely interesting to look at however someone could also melt it it up it’s kind of that gimmicky part of it with melting it in a way they kind

of like I don’t know you hear when you think of the standard surrealism stuff like you thinking stuff melting um yeah yeah the clocks right and yeah yeah so it’s like if you were thinking of it from like like it definitely is cool like I enjoy doing it but if you were think of like outside of it like from a I don’t know like a marketing perspective or something I feel like the little demick aspect of it would like it would make it not surreal almost there’s like not a way to but I don’t I

don’t know I guess definition one I I was GNA say is that it’s like what’s cool about something like that is you even having the idea to sculpt a candle is there’s so many things that just I I didn’t know you had done that and so for for me it’s like already hearing that like you said something like that I feel like people are going to add so much meaning in their own meaning to it that maybe you do or don’t intend and I’m sure that happens with your own artwork in in in its own way but I think like

with you said with a candle it has so many different meanings too to where if you created a super cool sculpted candle to where it’s like yo a person’s faced with the faced with a decision do you burn this thing and and you risk quote ruining it or do you burn it and it becomes something better and it’s a whole part of you know because everything’s going to fade and go away eventually in my mind is there’s no right wrong batter worse like or at the risk or at the risk of giving you a really great business decision could you

keep it as you know keep it intact or you could melt it and see what happens and then it’ll be just an evolved piece of it maybe layer it could you sell them yeah a candle that you had already done once they burn it and melt it send it back and I’ll resculpt you another one well that’s actually a really good idea yeah that’s why I said why I said at risk of giving away a really good business idea there you go yeah guess you’re you’ve got you’re very similar situation to him yeah no

100% and your name is Chris so know say same thing so I gotta ask you something I gotta ask you something man so say you’re doing a painting it’s not a commission you’re just inspired because like I get inspired I don’t think like I have to deliver something I just want to draw so that’s when I go at it so when you have you’re not commissioned you’re just like oh I want to do something can you walk us through like all right you did a sketch of some stuff you just walk us through the whole process to the end

painting yeah yeah so um you know like I have an idea I go like the very first layer is like just thin down paint with turentine um I’m just like blocking in like the basic shapes and like the color so I’m like yeah so almost like you just finished this one sorry so if you’re like even talking through this is like if you want to as a yeah yeah so like you know like I’m looking at this one like all right so I know the sky is gonna be blue you know the figure is gonna be orange um you know like the green part is like a

light so like all right that’s green so I block in the colors for that stuff put like the general shapes and then once that dries once all the the first layer dries then I go back and I do the actual like painting on it um so I start the the I always start with with sever like furthest away the painting so I started with the sky and then I kind of work my way forward and then the last thing I always paint would be the like the figure like the most important part and that the reason for that is as you’re working on it usually you know

the artwork is better as you’re going along right so it’s like you don’t want to do the most important thing first because that’s probably not going to look as good as the rest of it you know as you go that’s what I’ve been screwing up all along now just now I just realized you most of your stuff you pick it’s like too color based well it seems like there’s two only there’s like two colors and they so that’s fascinating me so it’s like I well because if you look at like you know

that’s that’s cool yeah I do a very limited color palette too like it’s usually you know just like three colors and then from there you could you know you can kind of you know mix colors like those are the most driving element in a weird way in my mind it even though just yeah just realism thing about mind and color just okay Mom put these two colors together and this is what my brain comes up with you know yeah yeah I mean I was say color plays a good pretty important role am I word what just as a non- artist like I’m

I’m curious like but I I’ve loved the idea of just playing with paint on you know canvas and things like that yeah yeah I assume you’re working with just typical paints and things like that right yeah okay yeah oil paints oil and they never dry right is this the one that never dries and just yeah it it takes a it takes a minute for it to dry um yeah but it’s not too bad yeah do now with these types of paints do you and again this is just from you know a non-artist perspective just a Layman but

do you have to go in and do you do you do like a white primer on the canvas before you start or do you just do what’s your process when you get just a norm do you brush it off do you take a cloth do you clean it do you I’m curious I have no idea but I imagine I know about like painting cars and doing other stuff that like there’s so much prep that goes in before you even put a brush on to lay down properly yeah so I’ll do I’ll put you know primer on the canvas um I do like three codes of primer so

like but in between each coat I sand you know I sand it down yep you’re not sniffing the primer are you you you should if you haven’t yeah doose so you say you do three coats and in between coats so you do let each do you let each one of them dry and then sand it or do you apply three and then sand so between each no that’s I say between each code before he ever lays down about how long does it take you to drive I know this might be stupid it might be on an instruction manual but also too I understand that the I understand that

you know uh the way that things break down on on a uh you know on what they recommend might not also be what is people have found to be efficient so I’m curious is it what do you wait times between your primer the primer oh the primer drives really fast for me I don’t know part maybe because of the humidity here oh Georgia humidity yeah it’s probably probably comparable to ours down here yeah so like it drives pretty fast and I paint like my R studio is pretty much it’s the garage like yeah we

have like a it’s like a back space yeah it’s like in the garage there’s a um I guess maybe it was intended for storage when they built the house okay maybe plus like additional like been back um and like I pretty much turn that into my art studio um I um you know installed some lights and stuff like that yeah it works you yeah it works fine but yeah it’s your own home studio but yeah and I was I was curious because I so we were talking kind of about the process referencing you know this piece

and I think we got to um the colors and then you know it’s good to go off rabit so yeah I’m if yeah if you can continue kind of the process from beginning to end I think we just got into where you pick the colors and then I think talking through just the creation of this piece just like you know if you were just yeah and the important piece was the last piece I think is where you ended yeah and do you do you have an idea that piece going in or is that something that that last piece just comes to you as

you’re doing it it’s like you’re you know that’s why you saved that focal point um I would say yeah it kind of like some of it is I don’t know whenever you put down on the canvas I think like it looks different compared to like when you’re sketching it out in some ways I think like you kind of make some like I definitely make some changes to it once it’s on the canvas um kind of like like well this focal point like it kind of looks a little better over here than over here you know yeah interesting but

going back to just talking us through this piece like we won’t interrupt you sorry so from beginning to end you can just go through the process yeah so like first you get the canvas you put that primer on it that takes I usually wait a day or two for the dry between like and that’s with you know the three codes so like each coat takes I don’t know not too long few hours usually wait a few hours just to be safe um yeah I just never want to rush it yeah yeah and then I go I do the what’s it called like the

underpainting which is like the thin down um paint with the turentine so I do that first um kind of block everything in just pretty much like a map Crea like a map of the painting kind of you know get the layout of everything and then from there I’ll start putting down actual paint I work from the back and then work forward so like start with where spr this away like the sky yeah um and move forward from you know within the painting from like background to foreground pretty much a journey from there it gets more more clear all the

way like yeah it’s like that’s why I asked if the focal point is in mind at the beginning because it’s like it’s like you’re on a journey from nothing into like slowly forming into something and then right there in the very front like you said you did it last it’s like it’s like it just really pops like it’s extremely noticeable when you describe it like yeah I definitely try make sure that stff stands out and even like the color like when I’m think of color I think of like the color of the focal

points going to be like the codes around it how that’s going to make it pop out you know that’s cool but so I think you’re saying so you started with the sky so now continuing I guess so just the process of so I think that’s where you at you you start with the furthest thing so at this piece you started there and then was like yeah and then from there it’s like the the green sections you know know and back um which is like a light and the whole idea with this one is like it’s like an empty theater um

coming down like the stage and then almost like a circus tent in the back like points yeah that’s yeah and there’s a bunch of chairs so then I start the chairs and kind of blending them so these are chairs that’s idea yeah okay cool cool gotcha yeah keep going sorry yeah um and they’re like kind of Blended in with the light in the back like the circus tent and then as it comes forward they get more defined um so then I start paying each one individually and then you have the figure up top as well so that was done

last so what is that figure like what does that represent what is what is your where’s your mind at when that thing comes up so I was almost thinking of like like um like a reflection of one’s mind like on a stage and the whole idea was like so you have the window and the window you you the window is like a two-way perspective because it’s like you can look through it and the other person other the other side can look through it so that’s like two ways and then you have the face which is like a single like perspective

because like only you can see through your you know your eyes face is looking back at you yeah yeah yeah and then there’s like a speaker up top which would be like the speaker would be like your thoughts playing so like if you had the head there and then your thoughts would play through the speaker um holy [ __ ] and this is this like a bike wheel memories it’s like the re it’s it’s a so that’s okay I feel like this is in my mind I was thinking this this here is also window at least my interpretation

so that’s a film is that a film reel though that thing that what that’s supposed to be like yes it’s like a film real but also kind like a window okay I kind of yeah yeah man this is yeah so so yeah you work your way back here you get to this point and then so how did you end up yeah just continue the journey and then so once all that dries then I go back and add transparent layers of paint on top of it ah you use mostly like oil like you got your oil medium um and then you have you is it it would see like you’re diluting

the paint but you’re actually making the paint thicker because of the oil so it’s more you’re diluting the color yeah yeah now that’s how you get it so like almost chalky looking because it it almost looks like yeah it almost looks like you you laid that [ __ ] out with chalk but when you talk about using like turpentine and [ __ ] it’s like you’re you’re really only using the same three colors the whole time you’re just diluting them those same three colors yeah yeah so there so the gradient is

perfect the way so you got here and you’re kind of doing that part of the process and then once that’s done you get you can keep working through the Journey on this piece yeah yeah it’s pretty much finished once you do that so it’s like and when I’m doing like the transparent L of paint it’s almost like I’m um in some ways you’re making some like I say as a refining the painting in a way so like I’m like thinking like oh well this section I need to be a little bit darker a little bit more vibrant or

push back in the distance more you know whatever so then I can kind of make those adjustments with the transparent lays of paint and it’s kind of helps I don’t know I feel like it helps build up the colors too you know yeah in a lot of ways yeah I gotta tell you I gotta tell you if you haven’t seen one of these paintings they’re huge yeah so so I kind of so here’s the easel but what’s the dimensions on this yeah this one’s 30 by 40 30 by pictures pictures hardly do your work I was just about to say whenever

when I had a chance to go out to his house recently he immediately was like I was walking around he like oh yeah here’s boy was like it was the first thing he showed it was the first thing he showed us when we walked in he was like I got this peace commissioned so I mean yeah it’s like seeing him seeing him in person there’s a little 3D subtle 3D element to it in a way because you just have to look at it yeah it’s not just totally a 3D so literally you can’t capture the magic of the experience

unless you see it in person like this is what it sounds like and like I’ve been talking to my wife about this a lot like how do we capture this on camera to make it look for people to fully see the best the closest to being there and that’s a fascinating thing I don’t know you can’t man you can’t you can’t he’s just talking about how close can you get I don’t know if you’ve done like video like you have pictures but just highest definition video of you just walking up to it and just like going around it and

literally just the exper like creating the experience of a person walking in the room and seeing it in a short video maybe I don’t know just thought I don’t know if done that sort of thing I think Mikey had a question you think yeah next to something to give it size comparison perspective I’m walking into a room and observing looking at it in you know in my mind just like literally the perspective you know of a person but yeah so so yeah what what have you been thinking so you say you’ve been talking

to your wife so what what’s that like what your thoughts about the scanner scanning them um [ __ ] trying to think of a scanner that would scan like how you’d even scan it be a very large scanner though that’s the thing yeah and if there’s any risk of it you know somehow messing up or I guess if it becomes something new it still but as far as your intention here if it would damage what you the end product you wanted you know I think it’ll be fine I I think I guess I’ll read up on more yeah so so

that’s one thought you had was there any other one as far as if I open like real bed and breakfast or something oh yeah that just gets what gets people to to experience it that you know it just kind that’s that’s actually a really cool idea you know because a lot of people there obviously people who love surrealism so they want to look for it but then there’s people who’s maybe never in their life really seing this or casually to where oh it’s a bed and breakfast come here it’s like did you

notice that art on the wall that so fascinating they’ be asking you about it you know that’s cool this is kind of like a side a side I don’t know thing but have you have you ever heard of meow wolf before yes they just opened one in Dallas it was originally like Colorado and Denver yeah so I just went on vacation to Denver last week we went to meow wolf and that is like a fully like immersive experience yes wolf imersive art experience totally yeah and there’s like you can solve something you can and you can spend as

much time in there as you’d like oh wow you can literally so you just did this yeah we were just there last week um got one in grape vine yeah I’m sorry yeah yeah you said that I’m sorry I was just trying to get this so I I have a question I have a couple of them that have popped up and you know I want everybody get their questions in you know and hopefully do you have a little bit more time oh yeah as much time as y bro okay cool man um so yeah I know everybody’s got questions that are popping up as you’re talking because

honestly like we we find you quite fascinating dude find you quite fascinating from being 100% honest we appreciate all the time you’re giving us um yeah yeah man so a question I kind of had was like how do you how would you balance like your like personally expressing your art while also you know it’s like keeping in in mind like the viewers interpretation of your work does that play any kind of a role or was that I don’t know some yeah somewhat because sometimes I’ll trying to think the best way to put it it does

to I think about it to a certain extent but don’t worry about too much I do think well if you know this is here or this looks like this people are going to take this wrong way or they’re going to think of this you know it’s in the back of your mind and it’s there but it’s not something you think you’ve considered that and you know but it’s it doesn’t really affect the outcome but it is a thought that that you consider which is interesting because I know there probably some people who don’t even care

about what the viewer might experience this interesting artist every artist is different so that is at least a thought that you had which is fascinating oh yeah yeah because I mean in some ways I don’t I and I get it because I make weird things but I can consider that this is a representation of you still at the end of the day right and I don’t know like I’ve kind of come terms with like I can’t really control how people are going to interpret it yeah that’s but at the same time like there are some things

where it’s like all right clearly they look at this yeah I mean I I can make up things looking at this but I’m not going to but it’s like if for like just stupid you know it’s yeah everyone’s perspective is g to see something different no matter what yeah um I guess like yeah yeah but that’s that that that thought’s there you know it exists but it it doesn’t really you know whatever the effect subtly whatever it doesn’t this is you know yeah that was a cool question Mikey yeah thank you yeah was

there anything else that yeah did you know that you specifically wanted to get on you know I this could be a somewhat jumping ahead to like this is kind of a question I’d ask in the end but I know I question um but my question for you would be uh really jumping ahead M would you want to know if you my my question would more or less be it’s like do you have it seems like you’ve kind of just found your Niche you know what I mean but it was something that came natural to you and it just so happened that there was

also AR community of what people were like yo this is what you’re doing um is there any like thing you would recommend or any words of advice you could give to maybe people that are struggling to find their Niche or artists that you know cuz my aunt was she painted all the time but she never put her stuff out there and I thought it was great but she never would and it was like I just didn’t know if you had any kind of you know thoughts on that about how do you do that or overcome that cold feet or whatever

I I think you really just have to do it I think you just just have to jump in I think whatever you think people are going to say about it like if you think people are gonna you know hate on it or something they’re probably not um and like it’s not gonna be as they’re not gonna be as critical as you think they are I think a lot of times you will especially like nowadays with the internet like you’ll find there’ll be someone out there who likes it you know yeah and then there’ll be people out there who think and whatever

like goes both ways Tony Romo had a quote definitely people but then there are people you do as well so you know you get haters do you really get haters uh there’s some yeah I feel they’re jealous how do they how does that work they’re jealous just people who are like they you know they’re in like super realism you know and like they think if it’s not super going to hate no matter what hater is going to hate yeah where it’s if it’s not within parameters or they’re jealous any reason but no matter what but it is

interesting because I feel like the ratio for you is got to be pretty small for people who outright say they don’t like it I’m sure they’re yeah I’m sure they exist but to be vocal about it you know it’s like they’re fascinated by by no matter what they might not like it but it’s so interesting just like I mean what is it that that that somebody that’s Ione unless it’s something that’s like I don’t know they find it like super offensive I don’t think most people are

gonna be vocal about you know yeah with any art or you know whatever you do you do this for you like you could die and these would all be sitting in a room like I just did them there just happens to be a way to share them right so yeah yeah um but I know a lot of people out like I met a lot of people and they all who are I don’t know they’re scared to like share their stuff and kind of comes back to his question about you know even the creative process you know just that fear you know there’s some element

of fear but you got over it so yeah there’s like I guess Mikey is there yeah if someone is really just to cross that threshold I mean yeah is there anything in mind that that did did you face it at one point you know and when you’re young he did it but like how like how might someone do that you know so like in our school like we had critiques every two weeks so I think that Al in a way it kind of desensitizes you because like you’re just used to it yeah you grow up in the environment there so it’s kind of

you can’t really come from the perspective of somebody jumping into it say Mikey want to jump into it and try to start doing it in his 30s you know it’s yeah you never you know so it’s is I’m I’m thinking it through so yeah that’s interesting yeah like with the critiques like it’s the feedback is really helpful and like there is not like you know no one’s they’re giving you you know destructive criticism and stuff like that so I mean know in that sense it’s like it’s really beneficial um yeah and

I think one thing actually one thing to think about like if you’re scared to put stuff you know your stuff out there I guess don’t take it too harshly if people don’t like it for whatever reason yeah just go accepting it except know that it’s gonna happen and just be just acknowledge that this people are gonna hate no matter what so I’m I’m prepared for that yeah yeah and don’t you know don’t beat yourself up over it as someone gets you know says whatever about it like you know just

um you know accept it and kind of keep moving on keep doing your own thing L keep on keeping on think all of us kind have our own you know gut instincts that kind of tell us you know what probably looks good or what looks bad in some sense like yeah well so I saw you were in a book right uh at least one book some sand here thing there and so I’m curious just about that if that that’s the only book you’ve been in where else you might be and then why they selected if they selected the pieces or if you got to

choose what went there um so like I’ll do like these like call for artist submissions were like let’s say they’re you know looking for artwork for you know the cover of a book um I was just I I wasit the artwork I want you know that would be in there they okay gotta that makes sense yeah yeah it’s like this one here looking at this book so you submitted this piece and this is what they put in here it say Sand Hills Magazine okay yeah and then they’ll like I think they’ll like pair up like the

poem or whatever it is the short story with you know the picture did you write the short story oh no Okay cool so they got connect okay so they take your work someone else paint hopefully they’re an artist I take it there some art or art CRI or something whoever it is they got to obviously it’s a publication that’s considering the artistic Merit of it so yeah yeah yeah they’ll pair they’ll pair it up and all that how does how does it uh I’m sorry if I’m going off question here interrupting in any way but how

does it feel to uh to kind of to get the feedback you get positive feedback like to see other people react the way they I’m I mean I’m like us or other people like Aaron hitting you up being like hey man can you can you paint this for me I what does that feel like for you is that is it kind of surreal I mean it is it is cuz like you know you never expect like I don’t know I want to say like have your thing like take off but like yeah I don’t necessar say I’ve like taken off but you know to see other

people appreciate it and like take interest in it is definitely surreal and like I don’t know in social media so the fact that in what I try remember to do is whenever I put something up is disabled to like count for others so that no one else sees it and just that so that that didn’t have any impact on the viewer whatsoever but so personally you know obviously I know you go in there and you can see your like counts is that I know you turn I didn’t know you could turn off your like accounts oh yeah so for to hide it for others uh but

not so yeah I can show you but so obviously you see your in because I mean whatever it is that we put out there you know it’s a whole different thing nothing is incate this but that just psychologically like is that really you look at it you know what’s the impact there no if there is one there might not be thought that that’s good awesome hopefully I didn’t plant a seed at all no no no I still definitely thought about I was like wow this one got a lot of likes and this one didn’t yeah no so

see so I’ll show you you can keep going but go to my profile on how do that I think part like time and day and stuff like that you know but like I don’t I try not really focus on that too much you know yeah so if you go into like something you’ve made and there’s a little your lipis menu so you can go to hide like count to others or even turn off commenting so so yeah so you can hide yeah so yeah yeah hopefully this because yeah I just know you know as as an artist of whatever we do you know

it’s what there there’s I know that there’s some psychological impact on the viewer whether that’s negligible or not who knows but I just want to remove in my mind I like removing that from the equation you know yeah yeah at least that’s just my that’s my you know position on just oh they created that there okay yeah if I wanted someone to experience this without it potentially being tainted whatsoever subconsciously by a number I’m going to take that out like that’s you know that’s how you do

it yeah because I think I mean I definitely think if you see you know one person like it I think other people just jump on the bandwagon and like it well it starts yeah yeah yeah yeah um so I had a question it’s like do you find that there and this might be I don’t I don’t know do you find that there any like recurring symbols in in your work and what you’re doing um and do they do they represent any part of you or no I mean is that yeah but then so like I like I go through these like I don’t know like

these St stages or phases or something where like I’ll try to I’ll start incorporating like a reoccurring thing like food for example but then I’m like well I don’t want all these pains that have food in it so then it’s like I’m trying to I’ll fight with myself about like not incorporating it and trying to think of like different like alternative route to get the message across or what I’m trying to create you know so like I’m sure in some I’m I’m sure it represents something about myself I

can’t think of what like you’re hungry man I know man we I would talk to you as long as humanly POS like I’d like to talk to you some more like more I just know I don’t know what your timel is I know I’m coming up against um a deadline of sorts otherwise I’ll talk to you as much as possible but yeah I just uh man everything I’ll tell you what tell tell us this before before we got yeah sh insights I wanted to be see like but just like how do you how did you how do you put yourself out there so I I

know as an artist and I’m nothing like you I’m not like a serious artist it’s it’s a hobby for me it’ never be a job but for somebody who’s who’s wanting to get out in the art world you went to school for it you take it seriously how do you even get yourself out there so if you if you like just Google like call call for artists you’ll find all these different websites where people looking for artists for exhibitions um and much you’ll just follow whatever their you know submission process is so

there’s that’s one way of getting yourself out there um you can create like your own website using like Weebly or other you know like Weebly Wicks uh Squarespace is one any of those free website you know makers Works um you social media and all that but I think like getting out like physically first you know in person like I think that going to like the call of artist websites and finding these you know these exhibitions is definitely like so physically act going somewhere and getting into the network of It kind of

yeah yeah yeah um and I’m sure like you know every place has probably their local Galleries and whatnot and if it seems like you know a good fit for you and all that like I’m sure you can also probably show there as well okay that’s cool so Mikey did you any like key insights or questions you wanted to to ask for go ahead I feel like I feel like mine’s good I mean Chris is there is there one last thing or anything you wanted to ask him or some insight you feel like you gained from hearing everything he just said

no my name is Chris I get it just enjoyed listening to your process and stuff that’s that’s really dope bro like it’s neat like just to hear about the way like like you said where you start out with your you know your couple of basic colors and you work from the back forward and you slowly dilute it don’t necessarily have your idea as it’s literally a journey which is it’s cool to know that it’s really dope like I it makes a lot of sense to me like the way you do it it’s like because I feel like

kind of like what Aon said I always kind of did the the opposite of that where it was like I would start with the focal point RSE everything how do you [ __ ] make the filler and it’s like No actually that’s why most of them are un that’s that’s cool so my interpretation is like it’s a journey do like you’re getting to see what you made along the Journey of creating it you know like at least the year process so yeah that’s uh and I don’t yet I don’t think I have any my question is everything that we’ve

talked about and more but I it’s yeah I’m just thank thank you so much man this is so cool yeah it’s been awesome I a blast talking to you yeah I was going to say hey man honestly if if I’m being honest you know to kind of wrap only Char about what $50 an hour to talk to people to kind of wrap things up man if I’m being honest and you know and this will also this will be this will be a good buy but also too an invitation because I feel like we need a part two till next time no I feel like we need a

part two with Chris here because it’s like um we’ve got we’ve gotten we’ve just kind of scratched the surface I feel like with his work and what he’s doing and the things cuz I I also want to ask like before we go I’m going to I want you to answer this question I’ll go ahead and say it now is there anything you want to plug later that you’re working on or want to kind of let people know you know all of that well I’m G to share all that stuff I know no but is there anything that you have that you’re

working on or that’s coming up that you’d like people to know about or kind of raise awareness about um I we um post a new painting soon um so that’ll be uh we see that online in the next few days um online so where’s that go first like Instagram or is there like a special place yeah check it out it Instagram first okay um yeah yeah so just St and I’ll be sharing your Instagram your website and all that stuff on your video but so to to get to see the latest there’s there’s that so

uh yeah if uh so I think if yeah so I was just going to say again man thank you you know thank you so much for being here um this is you know this has been really incredible uh just getting in my mind I mean I see no difference you know between you and Salvador Dolly mcgree all these other people and and I know it might be you know you may see completely agree you see me as a total lay and things like that but I mean there’s so many people I see you comparable to and just like to me it’s it’s right up there with them

and uh yeah there’s things that people call are in the modern day that it’s like that’s not artart you do encyclopedia and the word realism is that one of your pictures painting should be there like CU that’s in my mind this is the most surreal I’ve seen of anything and I love it like I I can’t get enough of it and thank and thank you to Aaron I’ll let you I’ll let you close us out comment but thank you to Aaron first of all for number one introducing us to this amazing human being

us showing us his art and thank you for being the first person to say hey man I I’d like to pay you to make something yeah that’s a magical connection that brought us to where we are in this moment and yeah thankful for for everyone in every part of it but uh I know potato we didn’t get to meet your cat this is our our standard pug they they say goodbye and it was pretty much the standard yeah like a cat right now for a second he join for a second we disconnected of course of course they know he did he did it was epic well

Chris man it’s no but I’ll just say yeah I I I mean I’ll just say man I there’s four artists that I’ve bought from and I’m very particular one’s like a Cubist artist yeah one’s a Cubist artist one’s like a a realist surrealist and then one is yours and yeah you got something man and when I saw yours I was like wow this is crazy and then at the time when I checked the prices it’s was like oh my God like I’m going to get like seven of these and it really is from a third

party it’s in one of the most prominent places in his house like when yeah I’ll tell you what from somebody that’s not him yeah you’re it it’s big it’s bold it’s he shows it to everybody when they walk in he’s like see you can’t not see it there s wh it up I’m sorry you just took me there but uh yeah so that that’s any partying wisdom or anything else you want to say Chris before we we have to say till next this time because I’d like to not say a goodbye but I’d like to stay in touch

definitely you know just you know like I said yeah we’ll just stay in touch for for sure but any last parting words at all about anything you’d like to share I mean I’ve had a blast doing this um this has been a ton of fun like I’m always down to hang out and talk yeah awesome anything you know like no definitely well okay you put yourself out there like that we we’ have you on there to talk just to we’re going to have you in here talking about weird [ __ ] you weird [ __ ] weird weird movies you know just

get just your perspective and you just happen to be a Sur I mean I’m cool with becoming a friend yeah I guess maybe it sounds like I don’t you know it’s a to connect I think we are friends connecting on something this unique automatically just connects you on so many levels I feel like f [ __ ] like that makes you not friends but but I think we are friends I’m kidding I’m kidding no but Chris man thank you so much for being here like this is awesome and until like you said this isn’t goodbye

it’s just until next time which we it’s got to be before the year we we’ll see you before the year’s over man best best wishes you your wife thank you thank you thank you so much again for being here man and we can’t wait to get can’t wait to have you back just to casually hang out with us thank you yes thank you Aaron thank you everyone else yeah so yeah that that’s Mikey and I’m me Matthew yeah I’ve been following you for in on Instagram Since Aaron I I have a random name and I’ve

been following you so I love your work man thanks for being here yeah thank you it’s great to meet you Chris yeah Mikey Matthew Chris Aaron and same name you’ve got a great name yeah it’s nice being everyone Chris Chris is a great name it’s it’s a beautiful name all right buddy well guess name CH yeah we’ll we’ll be in touch for sure and thank you so much till next time yes thank you later see everyone bye